The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Jeff Lebowski]

Reading this thread makes my blood boil. You all react to your misfortune by lashing out and diminishing others' hard-earned achievements. BYU should look in the mirror. By the way, by all the usual criteria there's no reason why Colorado doesn't belong in a major conference and wouldn't be in one or the other. It's even won a national title in the post-dark ages of national championship games and was not so long ago regularly in the top 5. Denver/Boulder makes Salt Lake or Provo look like villages. Oregon still has never been undefeated or won a national championship. Colorado is waaaaay more deserving of being in a major conference than BYU, and I guarantee that it could today write its own ticket into the Big 12 if it wanted to be there and the whole debate would change. Look at the situation this way--the Big 12 DOESN'T want BYU so badly that it's willing to go to these extreme lengths to seek exceptions and exemptions to the existing rules, risk disfavor when invitations to the Final Four are handed out. Get a clue: The BIG 12 doesn't want you. Sheesh BYU is a stalker.

Go away.

[creekster]

Reading this thread makes my blood boil. You all react to your misfortune by lashing out and diminishing others' hard-earned achievements. BYU should look in the mirror. By the way, by all the usual criteria there's no reason why Colorado doesn't belong in a major conference and wouldn't be in one or the other. It's even won a national title in the post-dark ages of national championship games and was not so long ago regularly in the top 5. Denver/Boulder makes Salt Lake or Provo look like villages. Oregon still has never been undefeated or won a national championship. Colorado is waaaaay more deserving of being in a major conference than BYU, and I guarantee that it could today write its own ticket into the Big 12 if it wanted to be there and the whole debate would change. Look at the situation this way--the Big 12 DOESN'T want BYU so badly that it's willing to go to these extreme lengths to seek exceptions and exemptions to the existing rules, risk disfavor when invitations to the Final Four are handed out. Get a clue: The BIG 12 doesn't want you. Sheesh BYU is a stalker.

Thank you for helping and for exercising your religion so admirably. No please go take care fo your blood problem and leave us alone.

[SeattleUte]

Agree. If a conference can hold a CCG with < 12 teams, why expand at all? Which is why I brought up the PAC-12 kicking out Utah and Colorado. The PAC-12 were and still are the losers in the conference expansion sweepstakes. IMO, no way the PAC-10 expands if they can hold a CCG with 10 teams.

Look at the history. The SEC was just fine with 10 teams back in the early 1990s. But they had the foresight to add South Carolina and Arkansas and host the first CCG. At the time, expansion was somewhat risky. If the SEC could have held a CCG without expanding, they would have done just that. And so would have the Big Ten, PAC-12, and probably the ACC. There's no way the Big 12 adds Baylor back in 1996. And now the Big 12 wants to change the rules and play a CCG with < 12 teams? Screw that.

Super ignorant post.

[Crockett]

Crap. Start getting used to long-term independence status.

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1. As long as ESPN is our partner and we make some respectable coin, the path remains viable. (FTR, I want in a P5 conference, though.)
2. Our schedule has steadily improved. I do like the variety and playing all over the country against interesting teams.
3. We need to have some special seasons and win a lot to maximize our attractiveness. Keep building the brand. The B12 is just not that into us right now.

[Omaha 680]

Reading this thread makes my blood boil. You all react to your misfortune by lashing out and diminishing others' hard-earned achievements. BYU should look in the mirror. By the way, by all the usual criteria there's no reason why Colorado doesn't belong in a major conference and wouldn't be in one or the other. It's even won a national title in the post-dark ages of national championship games and was not so long ago regularly in the top 5. Denver/Boulder makes Salt Lake or Provo look like villages. Oregon still has never been undefeated or won a national championship. Colorado is waaaaay more deserving of being in a major conference than BYU, and I guarantee that it could today write its own ticket into the Big 12 if it wanted to be there and the whole debate would change. Look at the situation this way--the Big 12 DOESN'T want BYU so badly that it's willing to go to these extreme lengths to seek exceptions and exemptions to the existing rules, risk disfavor when invitations to the Final Four are handed out. Get a clue: The BIG 12 doesn't want you. Sheesh BYU is a stalker.

You have become so boring and this post is more of the same. But I would like to focus on the one part that interests me: Please tell me which national championship game Colorado played in for the 1990 season. It certainly wasn't the Orange Bowl. Maybe it was the Missouri game.

[Mormon Red Death]

Yep Independence long term. What I don't get is why the conferences are voting the way they are.



Why is the SEC opposed to two divisions and a championship game, but will vote for a round-robin schedule with a championship game? Is it because the latter is a harder road to the CFP? And why are any of the Power 5 voting to allow a championship game with less than 12 schools in the conference, when that is the rule they had to follow? Are they just keeping the Big 12 weak and unstable at 10 teams so they can lure the prized members away if they want to get bigger?

Because it ensures that only 1 Big12 can ever make the playoff. If you have divisions and have something like last year and TCU and Baylor are in the same division they both could have ended up in the Playoff. For example, say TCU goes undefeated and barely beat a one loss Baylor at home and they are in the same division. They go on to beat a 2 loss Oklahoma from the other division in the championship game. You could have TCU ranked 1 and Baylor end up being 4th.

[SeattleUte]

You have become so boring and this post is more of the same. But I would like to focus on the one part that interests me: Please tell me which national championship game Colorado played in for the 1990 season. It certainly wasn't the Orange Bowl. Maybe it was the Missouri game.

You missed the point. :dumb:

[creekster]

You missed the point. :dumb:

He didn't miss the point, he found your point tendentious and boring. Rather than ask you to go away, like I did, however, he asked about that which interested him (which I gather coincided with an error on your part). It was all there in his post.

[SeattleUte]

He didn't miss the point, he found your point tendentious and boring. Rather than ask you to go away, like I did, however, he asked about that which interested him (which I gather coincided with an error on your part). It was all there in his post.

It wasn't an error. Colorado was no. 1 in the final AP poll.

[creekster]

It wasn't an error. Colorado was no. 1 in the final AP poll.

Whatever. Tendentious and boring still stands.

[SeattleUte]

You all have a more than plausible argument that Utah would not have been invited to the Pac 12 had the conference not needed a partner with Colorado. But Colorado would have been snapped up by the Pac 12 regardless of whatever else was going on. Colorado could go back to the Big 12 today; it could go to the Big 10 any time. Colorado has always been in a big conference and deservedly so. So stop being clueless.

[Omaha 680]

It wasn't an error. Colorado was no. 1 in the final AP poll.

Oh I'm aware of that. You said they won a championship in the era of NC games. I just want to know which NC game they played in.

[Jeff Lebowski]

SeattleUte is morphing into PortlandUte. Barf...

[Bo Diddley]

Reading this thread makes my blood boil. You all react to your misfortune by lashing out and diminishing others' hard-earned achievements. BYU should look in the mirror. By the way, by all the usual criteria there's no reason why Colorado doesn't belong in a major conference and wouldn't be in one or the other. It's even won a national title in the post-dark ages of national championship games and was not so long ago regularly in the top 5. Denver/Boulder makes Salt Lake or Provo look like villages. Oregon still has never been undefeated or won a national championship. Colorado is waaaaay more deserving of being in a major conference than BYU, and I guarantee that it could today write its own ticket into the Big 12 if it wanted to be there and the whole debate would change. Look at the situation this way--the Big 12 DOESN'T want BYU so badly that it's willing to go to these extreme lengths to seek exceptions and exemptions to the existing rules, risk disfavor when invitations to the Final Four are handed out. Get a clue: The BIG 12 doesn't want you. Sheesh BYU is a stalker.

Proof that Colorado is not Utah's rival. Maybe one day...

[New Mexican Disaster]

You all have a more than plausible argument that Utah would not have been invited to the Pac 12 had the conference not needed a partner with Colorado. But Colorado would have been snapped up by the Pac 12 regardless of whatever else was going on. Colorado could go back to the Big 12 today; it could go to the Big 10 any time. Colorado has always been in a big conference and deservedly so. So stop being clueless.

So we agree that Utah was a throw in? Hope your blood condition settles down. Thoughts and prayers.