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  • Topper
    Pre-Historic Man
    • Nov 2011
    • 11764

    #15826
    Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    The Big 12 is concerned with recruiting. aTm is cleaning Texas and Oklahoma's clocks for local recruits. So is LSU for that matter.

    They're not going to dilute things anymore with another Texas team. Houston is a total nonstarter.

    Memphis is looking like a decent possibility. There isn't a team in western Tennessee, although Ole Miss along with the Vols recruit their heavily. There's only one BCS team in the state right now. Memphis also has a good basketball program. It's not a bad TV market.

    Then there's Cincinnati.

    Sorry, just playing devil's advocate here.
    I agree with the Houston argument, but don't get Memphis. Academically, it would rank very lowly and competes with a bunch of other schools for local prospects. Cincy might be a better option. BYU and Cincy could be good additions.
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    • Topper
      Pre-Historic Man
      • Nov 2011
      • 11764

      #15827
      Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
      Ohio and Tennessee are the two largest states outside the northeast with only one major program. There are three major things the Big 12 is considering -- how much money will they bring in, how competitive are their programs and what will they do for recruiting.

      BYU is better than those schools on the first two issues, but absolutely zero on the third item.

      How is Rutgers support vs. Cincy? Was Maryland packing their stadium?
      Rutgers? Are you kidding me? Cincy at least has history of being good and has decent support. Rutgers has neither.
      "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

      Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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      • Color Me Badd Fan
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 12519

        #15828
        Originally posted by Topper View Post
        Rutgers? Are you kidding me? Cincy at least has history of being good and has decent support. Rutgers has neither.
        Yeah, that's my point. Rutgers lack of support and crappy support didn't stop the Big 10.
        Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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        • Bo Diddley
          Senior
          • Jul 2012
          • 18767

          #15829
          Originally posted by Topper View Post
          I agree with the Houston argument, but don't get Memphis. Academically, it would rank very lowly and competes with a bunch of other schools for local prospects. Cincy might be a better option. BYU and Cincy could be good additions.
          Does anyone really care about academics? At the end of the day it's about the sports team.

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          • il Padrino Ute
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 19161

            #15830
            Does anyone here think Sunday play will not be an issue for BYU inclusion? The Big 12 is not going to accommodate BYU on this.
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            • Jeff Lebowski
              Corporate lackey for Jesus
              • Nov 2008
              • 69617

              #15831
              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
              Does anyone here think Sunday play will not be an issue for BYU inclusion? The Big 12 is not going to accommodate BYU on this.
              No, I don't think anyone here thinks Sunday play will be a deal-killer. Except SU, of course.
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              • TripletDaddy
                sweet triple
                • Nov 2008
                • 58186

                #15832
                Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                Does anyone here think Sunday play will not be an issue for BYU inclusion? The Big 12 is not going to accommodate BYU on this.
                How do you know?
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                • il Padrino Ute
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19161

                  #15833
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  No, I don't think anyone here thinks Sunday play will be a deal-killer. Except SU, of course.
                  I guess I'm with SU here. BYU won't ever play on Sunday and there will be basketball games, baseball games and pretty much all women's sports play on Sundays. BYU is not a big enough name to dictate scheduling. BYU also needs the Big12 more than the Big12 needs BYU.

                  I'm curious how you and others think the Sunday play issue will be resolved?
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                  • cougjunkie
                    *Banned*
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 23223

                    #15834
                    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                    I guess I'm with SU here. BYU won't ever play on Sunday and there will be basketball games, baseball games and pretty much all women's sports play on Sundays. BYU is not a big enough name to dictate scheduling. BYU also needs the Big12 more than the Big12 needs BYU.

                    I'm curious how you and others think the Sunday play issue will be resolved?
                    You are wrong that's how the issue is resolved.

                    Entire month of October they play 4 women's soccer games on Sunday, that's it for the entire conference of Sunday play.

                    November- 1 women's volleyball game and 8 non- conference women's basketball games, which BYU could easily schedule when they want.

                    December- 2 wbb.

                    January- league play for wbb is Wednesday-Saturday format. With an occasional Sunday game that can easily be worked around.

                    They don't play as much on Sunday as you would like to believe.
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                    • SeattleUte
                      Faith crisis consultant
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 20837

                      #15835
                      BYU will never be invited to the Big 12. Never. Il Padrino, this is debate is not worthwhile.
                      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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                      • Topper
                        Pre-Historic Man
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 11764

                        #15836
                        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                        BYU will never be invited to the Big 12. Never. Il Padrino, this is debate is not worthwhile.
                        And if you are wrong, you must attend the LDS ward for which you are zoned for one solid year without interruption, all three hours!

                        I will view nature for you while you are inside.
                        Last edited by Topper; 10-26-2015, 09:13 PM.
                        "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                        Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                        • il Padrino Ute
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19161

                          #15837
                          Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                          You are wrong that's how the issue is resolved.

                          Entire month of October they play 4 women's soccer games on Sunday, that's it for the entire conference of Sunday play.

                          November- 1 women's volleyball game and 8 non- conference women's basketball games, which BYU could easily schedule when they want.

                          December- 2 wbb.

                          January- league play for wbb is Wednesday-Saturday format. With an occasional Sunday game that can easily be worked around.

                          They don't play as much on Sunday as you would like to believe.
                          Okay, how about men's basketball and baseball?
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                          • TexTechCoug
                            Carbonite
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 891

                            #15838
                            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                            Yo is the Carbon County guy that everyone from Carbon County wishes wasn't a Carbon County guy.
                            As a Carbon County guy I'm going to ask you not to speak for us. YOhio is the pride of the 84501.

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                            • il Padrino Ute
                              Junior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 19161

                              #15839
                              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                              BYU will never be invited to the Big 12. Never. Il Padrino, this is debate is not worthwhile.
                              I tend to agree with you, but I'd like to see those who believe it will happen chime in and tell us why we're wrong. Junkie is the only one to have backed up the idea that Sunday play is not an issue; I'll wait for others to make the case other than "[w]e don't think it's an issue."
                              "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                              "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                              • il Padrino Ute
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 19161

                                #15840
                                Originally posted by TexTechCoug View Post
                                As a Carbon County guy I'm going to ask you not to speak for us. YOhio is the pride of the 84501.
                                Okay, I can admit that I'm wrong. There is one person from Carbon County who isn't ashamed of YO.
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