Bronco articulates his verbal commitment policy

[TripletDaddy]

I don't know why some of you are obsessing over whether Bronco is a hypocrite. You think he is, I don't. Why the need to convince the other side. I don't think this is a case where it is very clear either way, but I sure don't see any nuance in the side proclaiming that he is a hypocrite. You are forcing your standard on him, though you are trying to claim it is his standard.
But more importantly, who cares? We are all hypocrites, in that we all feel strongly about certain things when others do them, but we do similar things ourselves.

Bronco thinks if you commit to him, you ought to keep your word. Few seem to have a problem with that. But why should he be obligated to also enforce integrity in other situations that he is not involved in. He hasn't presented himself as the integrity police, he just wants you to follow through with what you tell him. He's not a mind-reader and he's not going to go around telling people what their obligation is to other coaches, that's between them and that other coach.
He intends to keep his commitment to you, and expects you to do the same. Whatever your commitments to others are, he can't say. Why should he?

This hypocrite issue might actually be meaningful if Bronco expected commitment, but then went around yanking scholarships because he found someone else he wanted to offer. That would be a better example of hypocrisy.

Calm down. This sort of invective is out of place here.

[kccougar]

There are various levels of commitment from college athletes. Mendnehall has no clue what level it is between an athlete he is recruiting and a different university. Futher, the fact they continue to allow themselves to be recruited indicates to him that there isn't any commitment. Now if Apo said to him: "Coach Mendnehall I am firmly committed to Texas and as part of my commitment I agreed to end all recruiting so I would like it if you and your staff would cease and desist all contact with me." And then if Mendenhall continues to recruit the athlete you might have a case of Mendenhall's hypocrisy. But what comes up on Rivals or Scouts should not have any influence on Mendenhall and shed no light on his consistency.

So Piss off you TO Wanker!

Or in the case of the Georgia Tech recruit, if Apo said, "I'm firmly committed to Texas and I agreed to end all recruiting so could we please keep my upcoming visit on the down low" I would expect Bronco to tell Apo to either inform Coach Brown that he was reopening his recruitment or not come to BYU.

[Coach McGuirk]

all you all are whack. The problem isn't bronco; he can try and get as solid a verbal commit as he wants. The problem isn't Kona; He was bound to nothing. The problem is Bronco saying this type of shit,

"Sometimes the recruit uses the verbal commitment like it is a game. I focus on the commitment part, not the verbal part. If I tell you I am going to do something, I think my honor and succinct honesty is being addressed to do what I say I'm going to do. "And if, for some reason I don't, I'm going to give a great reason and I'm going to apologize profusely for any inconvenience I've caused. I try to prevent that at all costs. I try to teach that principle. The job I have is first and foremost to be a teacher to teach life skills to players and their parents.

Regardless of your message of not talking about a particular recruit, you are dragging Kona through the mud, and that is wrong.

[TripletDaddy]

There are various levels of commitment from college athletes. Mendnehall has no clue what level it is between an athlete he is recruiting and a different university. Futher, the fact they continue to allow themselves to be recruited indicates to him that there isn't any commitment. Now if Apo said to him: "Coach Mendnehall I am firmly committed to Texas and as part of my commitment I agreed to end all recruiting so I would like it if you and your staff would cease and desist all contact with me." And then if Mendenhall continues to recruit the athlete you might have a case of Mendenhall's hypocrisy. But what comes up on Rivals or Scouts should not have any influence on Mendenhall and shed no light on his consistency.

So Piss off you TO Wanker!

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[Goatnapper'96]

all you all are whack. The problem isn't bronco; he can try and get as solid a verbal commit as he wants. The problem isn't Kona; He was bound to nothing. The problem is Bronco saying this type of shit,



Regardless of your message of not talking about a particular recruit, you are dragging Kona through the mud, and that is wrong.

Bronco could have used less dry-humping the geeks' girlfriends, and probably less dope as well, in high school and more debate team practice. That much is obvious.

[TripletDaddy]

Or in the case of the Georgia Tech recruit, if Apo said, "I'm firmly committed to Texas and I agreed to end all recruiting so could we please keep my upcoming visit on the down low" I would expect Bronco to tell Apo to either inform Coach Brown that he was reopening his recruitment or not come to BYU.

This is a redundancy. Per Bronco, there is no commitment without an agreement to end all recruiting, so while it adds nice emphasis in your hypo (no doubt to set the bar higher for Apo's treasonous behavior and Bronco's hypothetical moral behavior), it is unneeded.

Per Bronco's words, the only thing he focuses on is the commitment part. Was there a commitment between Apo and Texas? That is well-established. It isn't even in question.

Now people in this thread are talking about "levels of commitment," or being "firmly committed."

Where in Indy Coug to ask you all how far you are going to broaden the scope of Bronco's words?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Wow, this thread deteriorated over the 2 hours I have been off.

My 0.02. Mendenhall(or any other coach for that matter) have the right to run their program, run their recruiting with whatever rules, regulations, etc that they see fit(as long as in NCAA/local school compliance). Its their program, their the ones who will get canned if they do not succeed, more power to them.

I do think that Bronco and some others hurt themselves by commenting at all about disciplinary measures, recruiting battles, etc any more than the simple facts. Bronco could have said, "Kona's scholarship offer has been rescinded due to violation of the terms of that offer, we wish him the best in his future endevours." Then clam up. The swirl of accusations, etc would still be out their but he would be able to stay above it because his statement give little angle to be attacked.

[Jacob]

all you all are whack. The problem isn't bronco; he can try and get as solid a verbal commit as he wants. The problem isn't Kona; He was bound to nothing. The problem is Bronco saying this type of shit,


Regardless of your message of not talking about a particular recruit, you are dragging Kona through the mud, and that is wrong.

Oh, please! He didn't mention Kona there. He answered a question and described how he feels about the issue. I guess you'd rather he just said nothing. Fine, but then you'd just complain that he won't answer any questions. We all wanted to know what Bronco was thinking about this, and he gave an honest answer, and then you try and turn him into a bad guy for giving us that honest answer.

[Jacob]

This is a redundancy. Per Bronco, there is no commitment without an agreement to end all recruiting, so while it adds nice emphasis in your hypo (no doubt to set the bar higher for Apo's treasonous behavior and Bronco's hypothetical moral behavior), it is unneeded.

Per Bronco's words, the only thing he focuses on is the commitment part. Was there a commitment between Apo and Texas? That is well-established. It isn't even in question.

Now people in this thread are talking about "levels of commitment," or being "firmly committed."

Where in Indy Coug to ask you all how far you are going to broaden the scope of Bronco's words?

Your twisting and mangling of his actual words doesn't make it so.

[Indy Coug]

all you all are whack. The problem isn't bronco; he can try and get as solid a verbal commit as he wants. The problem isn't Kona; He was bound to nothing. The problem is Bronco saying this type of shit,



Regardless of your message of not talking about a particular recruit, you are dragging Kona through the mud, and that is wrong.

If you think this quote applies in its entirety to Kona and solely about Kona, then you're simply mistaken.

[byu71]

I'm still reading back posts.

LOL, if it is a pain in the butt, I will accept you perceive it a certain way and I don't think I mean it that way. We can both be right.

[DU Ute]

all you all are whack. The problem isn't bronco; he can try and get as solid a verbal commit as he wants. The problem isn't Kona; He was bound to nothing. The problem is Bronco saying this type of shit,



Regardless of your message of not talking about a particular recruit, you are dragging Kona through the mud, and that is wrong.

Wow, this thread deteriorated over the 2 hours I have been off.

My 0.02. Mendenhall(or any other coach for that matter) have the right to run their program, run their recruiting with whatever rules, regulations, etc that they see fit(as long as in NCAA/local school compliance). Its their program, their the ones who will get canned if they do not succeed, more power to them.

I do think that Bronco and some others hurt themselves by commenting at all about disciplinary measures, recruiting battles, etc any more than the simple facts. Bronco could have said, "Kona's scholarship offer has been rescinded due to violation of the terms of that offer, we wish him the best in his future endevours." Then clam up. The swirl of accusations, etc would still be out their but he would be able to stay above it because his statement give little angle to be attacked.

[TripletDaddy]

Your twisting and mangling of his actual words doesn't make it so.

Yes it does!

Sometimes the recruit uses the verbal commitment like it is a game. I focus on the commitment part, not the verbal part.

[byu71]

Is it possible that some really great leaders, top executives, top performers actually miss a flaw in themselves, but the fact they don't see that flaw may be part of what makes them so great.

The flaw, "thinking and needing to let others know, their shit don't stink."

[Coach McGuirk]

Oh, please! He didn't mention Kona there.

Seriously?

He answered a question and described how he feels about the issue. I guess you'd rather he just said nothing. Fine, but then you'd just complain that he won't answer any questions.

yes thank you. I wasn't sure how I would react to him not answering the question, but you hit 88 mph in a Delorean and figured it out. Thank again.

We all wanted to know what Bronco was thinking about this, and he gave an honest answer, and then you try and turn him into a bad guy for giving us that honest answer.

As I can see, at least half of everyone posting would rather Bronco have kept this comment to himself. Try speaking for you.