Bronco articulates his verbal commitment policy

[LA Ute]

For the record, I think Bronco's approach is quite sensible. After all, it's his program, and if he wants to run it that way, he should be able to.

[Goatnapper'96]

I think the claims of hypocrisy are found in that Bronco says that your word is your bond, yet in the case of Apo, he was fine with a player that was breaking his word to Texas. If he truly felt that way, he should have told Apo "no thanks. please go keep your word and good luck in your career."

His other policies about not visiting schools etc do not go to hypocrisy, at least not in my opinion. Those are just institutional policies and he has his right to establish them as he sees fit.

Bronco's policy is about committing to him. Primarily because that is in his self interests and secondly because he has no clue what was said between Apo and Mack Brown.

[Indy Coug]

In fairness to Indy, he is asking if he has it right, which is an express admission that he is unsure about that which he asking.

It's because you weren't clear. Since that time, I've read your lengthy response to my question and it's clear that you are pretending to have that position.

[Hot Lunch]

And Bronco didn't under similar circumstances EARLIER IN THE RECRUITING PROCESS. I still maintain that Bronco issued his ultimatum because Kona pulled his stunt days before the deadline.

WHO CARES WHEN IT WAS. IT'S THE SAME THING. The recruiting process is the recruiting process. You have a certain time to recruit a kid. Maybe Bronco should use his all of the time he is allowed by the NCAA.

[byu71]

And Bronco didn't under similar circumstances EARLIER IN THE RECRUITING PROCESS. I still maintain that Bronco issued his ultimatum because Kona pulled his stunt days before the deadline.

Bronco got ticked and did what he did. Good for him. Kona and his Dad, did what they did. OK. Since Bronco is a BYU coach who is doing great, I back Bronco. I hope I don't have to trash Kona in order to prove I back Bronco.

KC, are you going to go to the trouble to show where I take shots at Bronco. Shots, not times where I indicate I have a difference of opinion. Thanks.

[SeattleUte]

Frank Arnold only had success when Ainge was a junior and senior. He just wasn't that good of a coach. Reid was a great coach but his recruiting issues became obvious by his 4th year at BYU. It just took a long time for that to shake out. Mendenhall is as good a coach as Reid and a much better recruiter than either. You sound like a dumbass.

I have fed you your previous posts, and they tasted like ashes in your mouth. I will stuff this one in your pie hole the day Bronco leaves, forced out, humiliated.

NOTE: I used "pie hole," a term I never normally use, for easy searching and location in the future.

[Goatnapper'96]

I have fed you your previous posts, and they tasted like ashes in your mouth. I will stuff this one in your pie hole the day Bronco leaves, forced out, humiliated.

You still sound like a dumbass.

But a loveable one.

[LA Ute]

You still sound like a dumbass.
But a loveable one.

It's the only reason he is not in Outer Darkness already.

[kccougar]

Bronco got ticked and did what he did. Good for him. Kona and his Dad, did what they did. OK. Since Bronco is a BYU coach who is doing great, I back Bronco. I hope I don't have to trash Kona in order to prove I back Bronco.

KC, are you going to go to the trouble to show where I take shots at Bronco. Shots, not times where I indicate I have a difference of opinion. Thanks.

I'm still reading back posts.

[TripletDaddy]

Bronco's policy is about committing to him. Primarily because that is in his self interests and secondly because he has no clue what was said between Apo and Mack Brown.

You are not an adherent to Bronco's clearly-stated policy. He has indicated that he is not concerned with the verbal part, but the commitment part.

He has no need to know what was spoken between Mack Brown and Apo. All he needs to know is whether there was a commitment. If there were a commitment in place, then you would think that Bronco would feel very strongly about Apo's breaking it.

There are really only two reasons why Bronco would not be dissuaded by Apo's breaking of his commitment:

1. Bronco is acting hypocritically
2. Apo had a good reason to back out of his word

Fortunately for BYU, Apo must have had a good reason!

[Jacob]

I don't know why some of you are obsessing over whether Bronco is a hypocrite. You think he is, I don't. Why the need to convince the other side. I don't think this is a case where it is very clear either way, but I sure don't see any nuance in the side proclaiming that he is a hypocrite. You are forcing your standard on him, though you are trying to claim it is his standard.
But more importantly, who cares? We are all hypocrites, in that we all feel strongly about certain things when others do them, but we do similar things ourselves.

Bronco thinks if you commit to him, you ought to keep your word. Few seem to have a problem with that. But why should he be obligated to also enforce integrity in other situations that he is not involved in. He hasn't presented himself as the integrity police, he just wants you to follow through with what you tell him. He's not a mind-reader and he's not going to go around telling people what their obligation is to other coaches, that's between them and that other coach.
He intends to keep his commitment to you, and expects you to do the same. Whatever your commitments to others are, he can't say. Why should he?

This hypocrite issue might actually be meaningful if Bronco expected commitment, but then went around yanking scholarships because he found someone else he wanted to offer. That would be a better example of hypocrisy.

[TripletDaddy]

It's because you weren't clear. Since that time, I've read your lengthy response to my question and it's clear that you are pretending to have that position.

I'm not pretending anything.

But I have also said clearly that I think all's fair in recruiting.

In sum, my position is thus:

1. Bronco is being a hypocrite with the Apo situation (not the Kona scholarship thing)
2. I don't care one bit. I want the best players at BYU.

You seem to disagree with my assessment of Bronco's quote on commitment and its application to the Apo recruitment. Where do you differ, out of curiosity?

[Goatnapper'96]

You are not an adherent to Bronco's clearly-stated policy. He has indicated that he is not concerned with the verbal part, but the commitment part.

He has no need to know what was spoken between Mack Brown and Apo. All he needs to know is whether there was a commitment. If there were a commitment in place, then you would think that Bronco would feel very strongly about Apo's breaking it.

There are really only two reasons why Bronco would not be dissuaded by Apo's breaking of his commitment:

1. Bronco is acting hypocritically
2. Apo had a good reason to back out of his word

Fortunately for BYU, Apo must have had a good reason!

There are various levels of commitment from college athletes. Mendnehall has no clue what level it is between an athlete he is recruiting and a different university. Futher, the fact they continue to allow themselves to be recruited indicates to him that there isn't any commitment. Now if Apo said to him: "Coach Mendnehall I am firmly committed to Texas and as part of my commitment I agreed to end all recruiting so I would like it if you and your staff would cease and desist all contact with me." And then if Mendenhall continues to recruit the athlete you might have a case of Mendenhall's hypocrisy. But what comes up on Rivals or Scouts should not have any influence on Mendenhall and shed no light on his consistency.

So Piss off you TO Wanker!

[Goatnapper'96]

I don't know why some of you are obsessing over whether Bronco is a hypocrite. You think he is, I don't. Why the need to convince the other side. I don't think this is a case where it is very clear either way, but I sure don't see any nuance in the side proclaiming that he is a hypocrite. You are forcing your standard on him, though you are trying to claim it is his standard.
But more importantly, who cares? We are all hypocrites, in that we all feel strongly about certain things when others do them, but we do similar things ourselves.

Bronco thinks if you commit to him, you ought to keep your word. Few seem to have a problem with that. But why should he be obligated to also enforce integrity in other situations that he is not involved in. He hasn't presented himself as the integrity police, he just wants you to follow through with what you tell him. He's not a mind-reader and he's not going to go around telling people what their obligation is to other coaches, that's between them and that other coach.
He intends to keep his commitment to you, and expects you to do the same. Whatever your commitments to others are, he can't say. Why should he?

This hypocrite issue might actually be meaningful if Bronco expected commitment, but then went around yanking scholarships because he found someone else he wanted to offer. That would be a better example of hypocrisy.

Most of the people that post here are lawyers. Many were on the debate team. While I was dryhumping with their "committed" girlfriends, or smoking dope with my athlete buddies, they continued to hone their skills of sophistry.

They make more money than me now......

[cougjunkie]

I'm not pretending anything.

But I have also said clearly that I think all's fair in recruiting.

In sum, my position is thus:

1. Bronco is being a hypocrite with the Apo situation (not the Kona scholarship thing)
2. I don't care one bit. I want the best players at BYU.

You seem to disagree with my assessment of Bronco's quote on commitment and its application to the Apo recruitment. Where do you differ, out of curiosity?

I bet part of Broncos definition of a good reason, has to do with religion. Therefore he is not being a hypocrite as deciding to attend a school based on religious reasons is a good enough reason to switch.

Long live Bronco!

By the way anyone else pumped about Manumaleuna, Beck, Mahina (who bronco said is 6'7 now!), Jordan Smith (6'5 ran a 4.4 40 on a laser), Austen Jorgensen, Kaahaaaaaaaaaliiiiiiiiiiii and Vaitai (all broke the 2 deep as freshman).