Bronco articulates his verbal commitment policy

[byu71]

I think the dude spent a great deal of his life way outside the mullah lifestyle. He might be the dickhead former partier who makes it to AP in the mission field, but I still believe he is playing people. He gets far too good results to be the dick you think he is. That schtick you reference would be exposed. There are the little spiffs here and there that throws Utefans.net, you and the others into a tizzy string pulling tantrum, but I think that 5 years of player loyalty, minor coaches turnover and what I believe is improved player attrition rates indicates that he is not the asshole you believe. Those results just don't lie. I don't know, maybe the BYU experience is more than I give it credit and that is the glue keeping the bandwagon together, but I doubt it.

Even assholes can have loyal friends. I have 20 or so very close friends.

I don't think he is an asshole anymore than I think coach Rose is. I do think his style can be grating. I can handle him easily. It is the real jackasses he inspires. The ones that think those who can go to BYU represent the churches finest. I never see that crowd catching on to something Rose said and run with it to downgrade and besmertch others. I never hear Rose say something about the fans that enables the high and mighties to then degrade and point their fingers in disgust at another element of the fan base.

I think Bronco is far better than those he inspires to take on his mantle. As one friend who is not a BYU fan told me. I thought Bronco was a real dink. Then I played golf with him . He is really a good guy and isn't like he appears in the newspaper.

[il Padrino Ute]

The day after the Kona issue blew up, Boylen was interviewed on the radio and was asked about the situation in general terms. He basically agreed with Bronco by saying once a recruit committed to him he would not allow that recruit to continue taking trips.

Then Boylen is wrong.

[Goatnapper'96]

Plus, he says that going back on a verbal commitment is a sign that a player will not make it at BYU. If this were true, why does he recruit other players that have verbally committed to other schools.

His policy is clearly working but the crap about it being a character issue is bull shit.

I think Bronco doesn't know exactly what was said between other players and coaches. Because of that it appears to me that his approach is that when you committ to me and I have explained what it entails on both our parts and you don't follow your commitment I will not follow mine. I think if one is fairly evaluating Bronco's character, an exercise I think Utefans spend an inordinate amount of time participating, the issue is whether or not he consistently follows through on his commitments to those he promises scholarships. He has no clue what is agreed upon when recruits committ to other schools.

[Surfah]

Then Boylen is wrong.

Lots of coaches are wrong then.

[byu71]

You do know that Schwenke recanted that little bit about Bronco questioning his son's character, right? That part just didn't happen.

I didn't know that and I read about everything. Can you tell me where that appears. If it was in TBS chat. I would like to know who said it before I would put credibility into it. Gman, Talo, Indy, I would believe. There may be others, but I stop going to chat a long time ago because of the number in there that like to play big shot and blow smoke up peoples butt's.

[cougjunkie]

I just do not see why some people think its ok for a guy like Urban Meyer and Mack Brown to do it but not Bronco. The bottom line is Ute fans should be happy that he does it this way because it seems like the majority do not agree with him so maybe eventually it will come back to bite him in the ass.

(However everyone that matters i.e. the players he is recruiting are all for it and love the loyality he asks for and shows in return)

[Surfah]

I think Bronco doesn't know exactly what was said between other players and coaches. Because of that it appears to me that his approach is that when you committ to me and I have explained what it entails on both our parts and you don't follow your commitment I will not follow mine. I think if one is fairly evaluating Bronco's character, an exercise I think Utefans spend an inordinate amount of time participating, the issue is whether or not he consistently follows through on his commitments to those he promises scholarships. He has no clue what is agreed upon when recruits committ to other schools.

This is exactly what Paul Johnson said when he was grilled like Bronco was for pulling Dontae Aycock's schollie after tripping to Auburn when he had committed to GA Tech.

http://www.secblitz.com/index.php?topic=3534.0;wap2

[Goatnapper'96]

Even assholes can have loyal friends. I have 20 or so very close friends.

I don't think he is an asshole anymore than I think coach Rose is. I do think his style can be grating. I can handle him easily. It is the real jackasses he inspires. The ones that think those who can go to BYU represent the churches finest. I never see that crowd catching on to something Rose said and run with it to downgrade and besmertch others. I never hear Rose say something about the fans that enables the high and mighties to then degrade and point their fingers in disgust at another element of the fan base.

I think Bronco is far better than those he inspires to take on his mantle. As one friend who is not a BYU fan told me. I thought Bronco was a real dink. Then I played golf with him . He is really a good guy and isn't like he appears in the newspaper.

The folks who you let get to you would be frustrating even if Lavell was the head coach. They were then and they still are. This self-righteous wing of the LDS fanbase did not exactly spontaneously generate when Mendenhall became the HC. I will agree with you that Mendenhall strokes that aspect of the BYU fanbase but you people can trust me when I assure you that them being neutralized is the best thing for fans of BYU that prefer winning as the highest priority. Not having that wing scrutizining everything he does is just smart business in the environment he finds himself. I think you need to ignore them.

As far as Rose versus Bronco, there is a huge difference in the PR role of the BYU football program versus the hoops program. Regardless, some people want to step outside of the trend to convince themself they are openminded and independent thinkers. For many an ALUF hating BYU fulfills this need to convince themselves that they truly are rebels without a cause as they can throw off the shackles of those old men controlling their lives through the LDS Religion. To many cool guys that are BYU fans, disliking Bronco when the mindless masses love him for fireside blather fulfills the same destiny. They are left with only disliking his methods because the results are what they are. If BYU makes it to a BCS bowl in the next few years the conscientious objectors might not even have that to stand on anymore. I just hope both groups keep paying tithing and donating to the Cougar Club, the money is all the same!

[byu71]

I just do not see why some people think its ok for a guy like Urban Meyer and Mack Brown to do it but not Bronco. The bottom line is Ute fans should be happy that he does it this way because it seems like the majority do not agree with him so maybe eventually it will come back to bite him in the ass.

(However everyone that matters i.e. the players he is recruiting are all for it and love the loyality he asks for and shows in return)

Do you agree with me. It is just fine to tell the kid, you visit your schollie is pulled. I have absolutely no problem with that.

Now, how do you feel about people saying Kona will be sorry, Kona is a dirt bag, Kona's Dad is a bad parent, what is wrong with parenting in Hahuka, if he wants to change his mind and come back to BYU, he needs to first serve a mission. We both support Bronco's decision. Do we both support the shit that flows from the "defenders of the faith" mouths.

[cougjunkie]

This is exactly what Paul Johnson said when he was grilled like Bronco was for pulling Dontae Aycock's schollie after tripping to Auburn when he had committed to GA Tech.

http://www.secblitz.com/index.php?topic=3534.0;wap2

Sounds an awful lot like Bronco.

[cougjunkie]

Do you agree with me. It is just fine to tell the kid, you visit your schollie is pulled. I have absolutely no problem with that.

Now, how do you feel about people saying Kona will be sorry, Kona is a dirt bag, Kona's Dad is a bad parent, what is wrong with parenting in Hahuka, if he wants to change his mind, he needs to first serve a mission. We both support Bronco's decision. Do we both support the shit that flows from the "defenders of the faith" mouths.

I agree that in no way does this reflect on Kona's ability to live the honor code. I also think that we do not know all of the details, if we did it may reflect a bit poorly on Kona's character. (That last sentence is just speculation).

[kccougar]

I didn't know that and I read about everything. Can you tell me where that appears. If it was in TBS chat. I would like to know who said it before I would put credibility into it. Gman, Talo, Indy, I would believe. There may be others, but I stop going to chat a long time ago because of the number in there that like to play big shot and blow smoke up peoples butt's.

"Bronco never told us that Kona would have a problem living the honor code. He clearly explained to us that if we tripped to other schools our offer would be pulled. We knew very well what the consequences were. Bronco was very upfront with us."

[Surfah]

The folks who you let get to you would be frustrating even if Lavell was the head coach. They were then and they still are. This self-righteous wing of the LDS fanbase did not exactly spontaneously generate when Mendenhall became the HC. I will agree with you that Mendenhall strokes that aspect of the BYU fanbase but you people can trust me when I assure you that them being neutralized is the best thing for fans of BYU that prefer winning as the highest priority. Not having that wing scrutizining everything he does is just smart business in the environment he finds himself. I think you need to ignore them.

As far as Rose versus Bronco, there is a huge difference in the PR role of the BYU football program versus the hoops program. Regardless, some people want to step outside of the trend to convince themself they are openminded and independent thinkers. For many an ALUF hating BYU fulfills this need to convince themselves that they truly are rebels without a cause as they can throw off the shackles of those old men controlling their lives through the LDS Religion. To many cool guys that are BYU fans, disliking Bronco when the mindless masses love him for fireside blather fulfills the same destiny. They are left with only disliking his methods because the results are what they are. If BYU makes it to a BCS bowl in the next few years the conscientious objectors might not even have that to stand on anymore. I just hope both groups keep paying tithing and donating to the Cougar Club, the money is all the same!

Well said.

[kccougar]

Do you agree with me. It is just fine to tell the kid, you visit your schollie is pulled. I have absolutely no problem with that.

Now, how do you feel about people saying Kona will be sorry, Kona is a dirt bag, Kona's Dad is a bad parent, what is wrong with parenting in Hahuka, if he wants to change his mind and come back to BYU, he needs to first serve a mission. We both support Bronco's decision. Do we both support the shit that flows from the "defenders of the faith" mouths.

I'm only defending Bronco in this situation. I have no interest in trying to defend the opinions of anonymous message board posters. You seem to be tying them up into one big ball.

[Goatnapper'96]

Now, how do you feel about people saying Kona will be sorry, Kona is a dirt bag, Kona's Dad is a bad parent, what is wrong with parenting in Hahuka, if he wants to change his mind and come back to BYU, he needs to first serve a mission. We both support Bronco's decision. Do we both support the shit that flows from the "defenders of the faith" mouths.

The same way I feel about people scrutinizing all things about Bronco and searching somewhere somehow for inconsistincies with respect to pinky handshakes with kids who started at other schools, kids on scholarship or kids supposedly promised a scholarship. I either mock or ignore them, but in the end they represent human beings that are bitter and in a state where their emotional mindset clouds reality. Why would a group of people so out of touch with reality have such an impact on you? I doubt I am going to change Utenation's (or even Jay Santos') opinion on Bronco as they have a pathological need for him to be a hypocrite, so why should it get me worked up?