I really hope BYU didn't tell Heimuli this..

[Eddie]

So - Ricky is turned off that BYU isn't holding open a scholarship that he may or may not accept on the morning of LOI signing day? And he's holding 6 schools hostage - meaning that 5 of them will be caught holding an unused scholarship or scrambling to fill it quickly while players around the country are sending in letters?

And I'm supposed to feel badly that BYU won't play his game?

I think he's a great talent and I'd love to have him. I just don't think he's worth this drama (and Ute fans call Heaps a prima donna).

Just to help Ricky put things into perspective - I hope he asks a pretty girl that he likes a lot and wants to spend some time with to the the prom this spring.

And I hope she tells him "Hmm...I'm not sure. I'll call you the morning of the dance and let you know."

And I hope that as Ricky sits waiting for the morning of the prom he gets to watch while every other girl he might have been interesting in going to the prom with had his first choice just said "no" accepts invitations from other boys.

And I hope the morning of the prom she calls him up and says "It was a tough decision, but I decided to go with someone else."

And I hope that as Ricky scrambles to find a date to the prom, that will be later that evening, what he hears from every girl he calls is "I'm sorry, I already committed to go with ______. Maybe next time?"

I MIGHT feel just a little bad about this if he was going to decide soon. But I don't feel bad not waiting for a kid until the last moment. I suppose I would respect him more if he secretly told the coaches which school he was going to and which he wasn't - so that they knew. But this wait for signing day thing is just silly.

[Blueintheface]

Heimuli had an offer from BYU two years ago. Despite that, BYU has NEVER been on his list of favorite schools. He passed up any and all opportunties to take an official recruiting visit to Provo this year. BYU was never a serious option for him.

And I'm ok with that. I just wish more of our fanbase would chill when a kid says no to Cutter's dad.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Heimuli had an offer from BYU two years ago. Despite that, BYU has NEVER been on his list of favorite schools. He passed up any and all opportunties to take an official recruiting visit to Provo this year. BYU was never a serious option for him.

Has CB accused him of having honor code issues yet? Or does his last name save him from that allegation?

[John McClain]

For the past year I have heard BYU had no chance on Heimuli; that he was set on going to a BCS school. Only in recent weeks did it appear that there was a scintilla of interest by Heimuli, but only that. And now he alleges that BYU put him off? I'm sure we would have loved to have Heimuli, but hey, I want to buy an Aston Martin or a Maserati, but my Mercedes was a better deal and more serviceable, so I went with it. And I don't see anything wrong with this situation.

[BlueHair]

BYU already has a #12 DL recruiting class, even without Heimuli. They have two 4 stars and two 3 star DL recruits.

http://byu.scout.com/a.z?s=338&p=9&c=14&view=3&yr=2010

It's time to switch to a 4-3 defense.

[Surfah]

BYU doesn't have the luxury to hold a scholie for a guy USC everyone else in the country would have been willing to? I didn't realize BYU had the number 1 class this year, that Rivals or Scout? I want to do some bragging about it and need a link.

Did you read what I said? I said we don't have the luxury of holding a schollie for someone who we weren't going to land anyway. I would have loved to have Heimuli come to BYU, but we never really had a shot at him. So why hold a schollie open for him? So what if everyone in the country wants him? Everyone in the country wants Seantrell Henderson too. Should we be holding a schollie open for him?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Did you read what I said? I said we don't have the luxury of holding a schollie for someone who we weren't going to land anyway. I would have loved to have Heimuli come to BYU, but we never really had a shot at him. So why hold a schollie open for him? So what if everyone in the country wants him? Everyone in the country wants Seantrell Henderson too. Should we be holding a schollie open for him?

Because BYU is in a different position than everyone else in the country, they can sign 35-40 guys on LOI day because at least 15 of them are going on missions straight out. So you leave one open for a top 10 type player if he is interested and if he decides then you push someone less talented on a mission.

I doubt you would be saying the same thing if Heaps was wavering, you would probably be wanting the scholie held on hopes that something would sway him. As others have said there was no reason to take an official trip to BYU or Utah for Heimuli, he has seen everything both those teams have multiple times.

[Surfah]

Because BYU is in a different position than everyone else in the country, they can sign 35-40 guys on LOI day because at least 15 of them are going on missions straight out. So you leave one open for a top 10 type player if he is interested and if he decides then you push someone less talented on a mission.

I doubt you would be saying the same thing if Heaps was wavering, you would probably be wanting the scholie held on hopes that something would sway him. As others have said there was no reason to take an official trip to BYU or Utah for Heimuli, he has seen everything both those teams have multiple times.

You're right. I wouldn't be saying the same thing if it were Heaps. But Heaps is a different case. He's the number 1 QB. He's not going on a mission. He's brought in other recruits who I am afraid may leave if he wavers and goes elsewhere.

To be honest, I look at this whole thing differently. If Ricky wanted to be a Cougar and said I'll sign right now if I get a scholarship, I guaran-damn-tee there would be a scholarship for him. But he's wavering. The Cougars probably played a little hard ball with him and lost. Now Ricky is using this to keep the other schools that he preferred all along hostage.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The Cougars probably played a little hard ball with him and lost. Now Ricky is using this to keep the other schools that he preferred all along hostage.

This in general seems to be Bronco's recruiting philosophy, hard ball. You are going to lose more of the top guys than you get with that philosophy.

It isn't the kids that set up the system of LOI day, it isn't the kids that are making any money off LOI day, it is the kids that are hostages once they sign on the dotted line. If Heimuli would have taken to Bronco's arm twisting and Bronco decided to bolt to the NFL or become a GA, Heimuli can't leave without penalty. So if the trade off is that the kids get to hold the schools hostage for 5 weeks at the first of the year before they sign it is still a bad deal for them.

[Surfah]

This in general seems to be Bronco's recruiting philosophy, hard ball. You are going to lose more of the top guys than you get with that philosophy.

It isn't the kids that set up the system of LOI day, it isn't the kids that are making any money off LOI day, it is the kids that are hostages once they sign on the dotted line. If Heimuli would have taken to Bronco's arm twisting and Bronco decided to bolt to the NFL or become a GA, Heimuli can't leave without penalty. So if the trade off is that the kids get to hold the schools hostage for 5 weeks at the first of the year before they sign it is still a bad deal for them.

I agree. And I get the frustration with Bronco's approach. However, I don't think it's a bad thing when you're trying to get kids to come to BYU, simply because of the honor code.

[cougjunkie]

My thing is I do not think BYU is in a position to pass up on a 3 star D-tackle because they might have a shot at a 4 star D-tackle on signing day. If they pass on that 3 star, end up not getting the 4 star, then we end up with guys like Kellen Fowler and Matt Bauman starting on defense.

[myboynoah]

My thing is I do not think BYU is in a position to pass up on a 3 star D-tackle because they might have a shot at a 4 star D-tackle on signing day. If they pass on that 3 star, end up not getting the 4 star, then we end up with guys like Kellen Fowler and Matt Bauman starting on defense.

I'm with you CJ. Didn't this happen with Ngata?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

BYU already has a #12 DL recruiting class, even without Heimuli. They have two 4 stars and two 3 star DL recruits.

http://byu.scout.com/a.z?s=338&p=9&c=14&view=3&yr=2010

My thing is I do not think BYU is in a position to pass up on a 3 star D-tackle because they might have a shot at a 4 star D-tackle on signing day. If they pass on that 3 star, end up not getting the 4 star, then we end up with guys like Kellen Fowler and Matt Bauman starting on defense.

Which is it? Do we have 7 DL commits already? Maybe we can tell one of the 2 stars they might have to go on a mission if Heimuli comes. Why does it have to be one of the 3 star kids? We have 3 RBs committed, with Harvey coming back why don't we tell one of the LDS ones, I am assuming Algernon is LDS at least, they have to go on a mission? It isn't like the only option is to tell the next best DL after Heimuli that we don't have a scholie for him.

[Indy Coug]

Which is it? Do we have 7 DL commits already? Maybe we can tell one of the 2 stars they might have to go on a mission if Heimuli comes. Why does it have to be one of the 3 star kids? We have 3 RBs committed, with Harvey coming back why don't we tell one of the LDS ones, I am assuming Algernon is LDS at least, they have to go on a mission? It isn't like the only option is to tell the next best DL after Heimuli that we don't have a scholie for him.

We have 5 DL commits. I'm not completely sure which of the 5 are currently planning to go on missions immediately out of HS.

Heimuli doesn't have to go on a mission, but he simply won't get a scholarship if he enrolls in 2010 and will get one subject to future availability and whatever spot he gets assigned on the scholarship waiting list. If he wants to get a guaranteed scholarship for all 4 or 5 years, one option is to go on a mission since he is already 19 and BYU will reserve a spot for him in 2012.

I'm not sure what added value Heimuli brings to the table that would behoove BYU to have to alter the school/mission plans of other DL/RB/etc. that were fully committed to BYU before Heimuli got done with the Magical Mystery BCS Tour.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I'm not sure what added value Heimuli brings to the table that would behoove BYU to have to alter the school/mission plans of other DL/RB/etc. that were fully committed to BYU before Heimuli got done with the Magical Mystery BCS Tour.

I'm not going to look it up, so maybe you individually weren't, but this isn't the song everyone was singing last year with Teo. And I would bet my house this wouldn't be the song everyone was singing if it was Heaps. I guess I just need to get one of the flow charts that says "We still covet and want this player if he takes time on the Magical Mystery BCS Tour" or "We don't have time for this loser that thinks he wants to check out the Magical Mystery BCS Tour". If you have one of those flow charts please forward it to me.