I really hope BYU didn't tell Heimuli this..

[jay santos]

What else are they going to say? They mismanaged the situation. I am sure they did all they could, save break committments to kids they have promised scholies to, and when the numbers were added up they don't have any more room at the inn. We all know missions are an option with mormons so if they want any hope to land the kid they say "Could you first serve your mission?" Just because some stringpulling pussie wants to take that and whine that BYU is forcing players to go on a mission it gets into your head? Sack up old man!

What else could BYU do once it was obvious they had mismanaged their scholarship situation wrt Ricky? "Will you ummmmm go out to some god forsaken place and eat beans while you ummmmm kind of sort of do that ummmmm culturally mandated religious thing of ours and not start your elgibility for two more years?" That would have gotten the message across and maybee the stringpullers in yer head might not have caught onto what BYU was trying to pull!

The issue here is not arrogance it was poor recruiting the past few years and an overreaction to the issue, perhaps based upon sound judgement that BYU had no real shot at Heimuli in the first place.

There's no such thing as offering too many scholarships. If a guy like Heimuli wants to sign, you sign him. Then some unfortunate soul like Mike Hague or Luke Ashworth retires from football due to a bad back, and gets the rest of their schooling paid for with no work.

[byu71]

So you would have rather Bronco tell him that the opportunity to come to BYU is completely gone rather than tell him that if he goes on a mission first they will sign him because he will then have a schollie for him?

Weird.

Wow, I must be the shittiest communicator to walk the earth.

When I say you know they gave him that opportunity, I know they gave him that opportunity, everyone knows they gave him that opportunity, why would you even have to say it.

Do you think there is a prayer on God's green earth BYU would have not given Heimuli the chance to go on a mission first. They would have let him do that even if he had a scholarship.

Now maybe it was his Dad that said that was the situation and therefor he let the information out. In that case, I would withdraw my complaint.

However, if anyone thinks the atmosphere at BYU doesn't promote a "my shit don't stink" attitude amongst the faithful, you are not facing reality.

[Indy Coug]

BYU already has a #12 DL recruiting class, even without Heimuli. They have two 4 stars and two 3 star DL recruits.

http://byu.scout.com/a.z?s=338&p=9&c=14&view=3&yr=2010

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Exactly. I am not bothered by it either. BYU doesn't have the luxury of holding a schollie for someone they probably weren't going to land anyway. He'll come back after his mission.

BYU doesn't have the luxury to hold a scholie for a guy USC everyone else in the country would have been willing to? I didn't realize BYU had the number 1 class this year, that Rivals or Scout? I want to do some bragging about it and need a link.

[byu71]

There's no such thing as offering too many scholarships. If a guy like Heimuli wants to sign, you sign him. Then some unfortunate soul like Mike Hague or Luke Ashworth retires from football due to a bad back, and gets the rest of their schooling paid for with no work.

Believe it or not, I disagree with you here. I like the idea of not kissing a recruits ass over and over again. On the other hand I am an equal opportunity guy. I never bought into the recruit has to recruit us and kiss our ass attitude either.

Hey, there is no scholarship left. Good luck at the school you pick whether you serve a mission or not.

[TripletDaddy]

Wow, I must be the shittiest communicator to walk the earth.

byu71, come on....we have no way of knowing this definitively.

[Goatnapper'96]

There's no such thing as offering too many scholarships. If a guy like Heimuli wants to sign, you sign him. Then some unfortunate soul like Mike Hague or Luke Ashworth retires from football due to a bad back, and gets the rest of their schooling paid for with no work.

I think Mendenhall wouldn't recruit over a kid. My instinct is the dude wants to win badly and I am assuming he did all he could, short of breaking a committment made to a current player or a current recruit, to find a scholarship for a player of Heimuli's reported ability. I think the guy knows it is easier to win with better players. I believe that after doing all he could the numbers indicated that there was no room. IMO, the issue was poor management leading up to the situation. Personally, I respect his honesty in dealing with it once they did the math and figured out where they were.

[byu71]

byu71, come on....we have no way of knowing this definitively.

Yes, but intuitively there seems to be some strong evidence. It can't be that these folks who don't understand what I am saying are "dumb shits".

[Indy Coug]

Heimuli had an offer from BYU two years ago. Despite that, BYU has NEVER been on his list of favorite schools. He passed up any and all opportunties to take an official recruiting visit to Provo this year. BYU was never a serious option for him.

[jay santos]

Remember when Crowton retired a couple guys due to scholarship issues? I want to say Ned Stearns was one of the casualties. Cleve did the same thing. The tall kid who wanted to be a doctor was the casualty that year. These things happen. Were Crowton and Cleve dishonest or slimy because they did it? I don't think anyone accused them of it. I think the phrase removing the dead wood was used quite a lot on CB. If the righteous BYU fan base supports it, it must not be too unethical.

[Hot Lunch]

Heimuli had an offer from BYU two years ago. Despite that, BYU has NEVER been on his list of favorite schools. He passed up any and all opportunties to take an official recruiting visit to Provo this year. BYU was never a serious option for him.

I don't really blame him for not taking an official visit to BYU or Utah for that matter which he didn't as well. There isn't anything either school can show him on an official visit that they can't on an unofficial visit which he has taken many times to both schools. He should take the chance to go and see other schools not in his back yard to see what they have to offer. Ricky is good and he had that luxury.

Nobody in the media really "knows" that Ricky wasn't that interested. That is TBS talk. They also don't know the conversations that he had with BYU's coaches.

[byu71]

Remember when Crowton retired a couple guys due to scholarship issues? I want to say Ned Stearns was one of the casualties. Cleve did the same thing. The tall kid who wanted to be a doctor was the casualty that year. These things happen. Were Crowton and Cleve dishonest or slimy because they did it? I don't think anyone accused them of it. I think the phrase removing the dead wood was used quite a lot on CB. If the righteous BYU fan base supports it, it must not be too unethical.

Maybe this is a new thing worked out so the church (BYU) isn't embarassed by poly kids picking the wrong hat on LOI day.

The new method is an agreement that BYU ran out of scholarships, but gives them still an option to come to BYU if they go on a mission. Both sides save face and the church isn't embarassed, until of course predictions the kid never was going on a mission come true. I still maintain the kid was going but the evil coach at the other school talked them out of it.

[Tone Loc]

Actually,

Yes, but intuitively there seems to be some strong evidence. It can't be that these folks who don't understand what I am saying are "dumb shits".

I am a dumbshit. So hopefully that helps your cause.

[Goatnapper'96]

Remember when Crowton retired a couple guys due to scholarship issues? I want to say Ned Stearns was one of the casualties. Cleve did the same thing. The tall kid who wanted to be a doctor was the casualty that year. These things happen. Were Crowton and Cleve dishonest or slimy because they did it? I don't think anyone accused them of it. I think the phrase removing the dead wood was used quite a lot on CB. If the righteous BYU fan base supports it, it must not be too unethical.

I think it depends entirely on how the coach presents his offer. It is the coach's program to run the way that coach sees fit. If all this loyalty and committment mumbo jumbo is Mendenhall's bag, so be it. If Cleveland is clear that you get a scholarship offer but may be moved along then so be it. I feel neither honored nor embarassed by either course of action. I let the coach make that call and I think there is a method to evaluate how the coach is performing. I respect Mendenhall because I think he is clear on this committment issue. It might be wacky and it might be old fashioned but it is his gig and he needs to do it his way.

[byu71]

I am a dumbshit. So hopefully that helps your cause.

I don't believe that for a minute. Real dumbshits won't admit it.