Big 10 expansion talk heating up

[byu71]

So someone finds someone who says something out of the mainstream who also teaches at BYU and that is proof they don't belong.

Come on. What Universities don't have someone on facultuy who doesn't say some waco things. What was that guys name at Colorado.

I will bet I could google Stanford and Cal. and come up with some real doozies. I will bet some guy at some University in the PAC10 has said, there is no God.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Would it be located in the same town or in Logan? Seriously though, my guess is that the church would convert a seminary building in a small Idaho town and they would all go there.

I like the idea of a required Book of Mormon class between Perms 101 and Haircoloring Do's and Don'ts.

[SeattleUte]

So someone finds someone who says something out of the mainstream who also teaches at BYU and that is proof they don't belong.

Come on. What Universities don't have someone on facultuy who doesn't say some waco things. What was that guys name at Colorado.

I will bet I could google Stanford and Cal. and come up with some real doozies. I will bet some guy at some University in the PAC10 has said, there is no God.

I guarantee no teacher employed by a Pac 10 school is writing articles calling the flood and the tower of babel historical events.

[woot]

This has really gone on beyond a useful point, but in your examples you are arguing about whether a certain behavior meets the definition, not what the definition is.

In any event, if you ever call me an SOB, I think I will know what you mean.

How are those two things different? The point is that iPU thinks bigotry includes intolerance of religion, and SU (well, I. I shouldn't presume too much) think that religion isn't any different from the various other forms of illogic I've mentioned above, and therefore intolerance of religion isn't bigotry. That is the point of this whole debate.

[YOhio]

Like LA Ute, I agree. And the ones who couldn't get in would go to a state-run beauty academy.

[byu71]

I guarantee no teacher employed by a Pac 10 school is writing articles calling the flood and the tower of babel historical events.

So, how does that negate what I said or are you just trolling me again. Dang, you are good.

[byu71]

How are those two things different? The point is that iPU thinks bigotry includes intolerance of religion, and SU (well, I. I shouldn't presume too much) think that religion isn't any different from the various other forms of illogic I've mentioned above, and therefore intolerance of religion isn't bigotry. That is the point of this whole debate.

Let me understand this then. If I say something mean and despiteful against Jews, I am not a bigot. If I say they should never let another Muslim on an airplane again, that is not a bigoted statement. Just want to make sure we are clear.

[woot]

Let me understand this then. If I say something mean and despiteful against Jews, I am not a bigot. If I say they should never let another Muslim on an airplane again, that is not a bigoted statement. Just want to make sure we are clear.

Sigh. You're wrong, of course. We've already had this conversation before so I don't know why I even try. Recognition of illogic is not the same as hatred of a whole group of people. If, from your first example, you said "It's silly to value the Iron Age wisdom over modern thought" that wouldn't be bigotry. If you said "I hate Jews" that would be. If you said "praying to Allah five times a day doesn't do anyone any good" that wouldn't be bigotry, but saying "Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes" would be. Do try to notice the distinction.

[byu71]

Sigh. You're wrong, of course. We've already had this conversation before so I don't know why I even try. Recognition of illogic is not the same as hatred of a whole group of people. If, from your first example, you said "It's silly to value the Iron Age wisdom over modern thought" that wouldn't be bigotry. If you said "I hate Jews" that would be. If you said "praying to Allah five times a day doesn't do anyone any good" that wouldn't be bigotry, but saying "Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes" would be. Do try to notice the distinction.

Well of course I am wrong and of course Cowboy is stupid. However, let me speak for myself, I appreciate your patience with me in explaining your world according to you.


Perhaps if you still have the patience, you can tell me if any of these statements are bigoted.


Jews are freaking idiots. They vote primarily for democrats and they believe in a mythical prophet named Moses.

Muslims are freaking idiots. They believe in some Muhamed guy who was nothing more than a religious zealot and killer.


Mormons are freaking idiots. They vote mainly for republicans and believe in a Prophet who was really nothing more than a pedaphile.

[Viking]

You need to pay better attention. In the incident in question, you were using abusive language and going after someone's family.

Furthermore, I didn't go after your career. I was just teasing you and mocking your casual dismissal of systematic college rankings in favor of your own anecdotal experience. Ratings, smatings! By golly, you went to a catholic prep school.



Ha. Lingo would be proud of that response.

I think the US News rankings are reasonable. Why would I need to refute your assertions?

No I think I used the abusive language in related but separate incident. You say fecundity, I say fuc*.

One of my bubble-loving, Provo superstar cousins says you're a good dude in *real* life so I'll stand down. You're actually just doing this as I'm the nail, this board is the hammer. The nail that stands up gets hammered down. If it were someone else, unlikely to happen. But, I know my role here: pain in the ass agitator.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

This article is written by a current BYU professor (nice find, Santos):

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.js...____&hideNav=1

"historical events" lol

Nothing more need be said about why the Pac 10 doesn't want to admit BYU.

Wow, this article was a real find. I think the thing that bothers me the most about it is how the guy repeatedly states as fact what Latter-Day Saints believe on these scriptural matters that are at odds with science. Basically, he says that we all believe in the literalist interpretation of these things. I'd like to hear his thoughts on Sampson killing thousands of Phillistines with a donkey's jawbone.

I took a Geology class at BYU. The professor felt the need to devote about 15 minutes towards the church's stance (or ambiguity) towards evolution before we got into some curriculum that would touch on the subject. I thought it was disappointing that the professor had to do that in the first place.

Clearly there's some academic flabbiness at BYU. But there's also academic flabbiness at most schools (see Ward Churchill). Fortunately for these other schools, most of it doesn't affect the science-related departments too greatly. For BYU, I fear that it effect that it does affect the science-related departments, which, IMO, are the most important at any university.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No I think I used the abusive language in related but separate incident. You say fecundity, I say fuc*.

One of my bubble-loving, Provo superstar cousins says you're a good dude in *real* life so I'll stand down.

Actually, I am a jerk in real life too.

[myboynoah]

Wow, this article was a real find. I think the thing that bothers me the most about it is how the guy repeatedly states as fact what Latter-Day Saints believe on these scriptural matters that are at odds with science. Basically, he says that we all believe in the literalist interpretation of these things. I'd like to hear his thoughts on Sampson killing thousands of Phillistines with a donkey's jawbone.

I took a Geology class at BYU. The professor felt the need to devote about 15 minutes towards the church's stance (or ambiguity) towards evolution before we got into some curriculum that would touch on the subject. I thought it was disappointing that the professor had to do that in the first place.

Clearly there's some academic flabbiness at BYU. But there's also academic flabbiness at most schools (see Ward Churchill). Fortunately for these other schools, most of it doesn't affect the science-related departments too greatly. For BYU, I fear that it effect that it does affect the science-related departments, which, IMO, are the most important at any university.

Yeah, great find. Parry is a Hebrew professor at BYU. I fail to see how his own religious beliefs have any effect on the science-related departments. Aside from you own fears, do you have any hard evidence?

[Maximus]

Yeah, great find. Parry is a Hebrew professor at BYU. I fail to see how his own religious beliefs have any effect on the science-related departments. Aside from you own fears, do you have any hard evidence?

Come on...if you believe anything from the Bible or Book of Mormon is literal, you can't be smart.

[statman]

I like the idea of a required Book of Mormon class between Perms 101 and Haircoloring Do's and Don'ts.

Advanced coursework: Beauty Philosophy 405 - Grief and Grieving: Helping clients deal with the heartache of split ends.