Big 10 expansion talk heating up

[Babs]

You're refuting the Big 10's better history by citing BCS appearances? There is no way you're actually arguing that the Big 12 is as good as the Big 10 historically, right?

Did you read the post? I absolutely am arguing that. The Big 12 HAS MORE NATIONAL TITLES (that's AP, Coaches, and BCS combined) than any other conference, bar none.

You're talking about Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, and Nebraska. That's some serious tradition.

[SteelBlue]

Look below, the league commissioner has made a public statement to the effect and it was released today. It isn't merely hopeful CB-esque banter.

It is possible that they're throwing around the possibility of adding Pitt, Syracuse or Missouri as a means of trying see where Notre Dame stands. Perhaps, they'll just do this year after year if ND continues to become increasingly irrelevant. ND has to realize that once the Big 10 actually expands to 12, it will only have the choice between remaining independent or joining the Big East.

Oh, I believe it's real. I just hadn't heard anything but the Alvarez quote (which I posted about last week) until you posted today.

[SeattleUte]

This post is so ill-informed. The Big 12 has had more BCS title appearances than any other conference, and only the Pac 10 (which has the fewest) has a higher winning percentage than the Big 12 in title games. The Big 12 has a better overall BCS record than the Big 10.

More significantly, the Big 12 claims more AP/Coaches/BCS national championships than any other conference.

Who cares. Academics; research, baby. Who do you think runs these conferences? Where's the real money?

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think you mean football championships.

The Big 12 does not claim more overall collegiate national championships, does it?

Football is the only reason they are having this discussion.

Penn State head coach Joe Paterno repeatedly has stumped for expansion, which would give the league 12 teams, two divisions, a longer regular season and a championship game in football. Paterno and other coaches have questioned whether the Big Ten's long layoff before bowl games has contributed to the recent struggles in postseason play.

[Babs]

I think you mean football championships.

The Big 12 does not claim more overall collegiate national championships, does it?

the Big 12 isn't even close overall. I was replying to beefy, who seemed to be limiting his discussion to Div I football.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Who cares. Academics; research, baby. Who do you think runs these conferences? Where's the real money?

LOL.

[SeattleUte]

The Big 10 actually has teams in the Eastern Time zone. It has academic powerhouses galore. Chicago is in the middle of it. It's no contest. Missouri would be nuts to not go to the Big 10.

[Babs]

Who cares. Academics; research, baby. Who do you think runs these conferences? Where's the real money?

sweetheart, don't call me baby.

Beefy chose the scope of the argument. I was just following suit.

[falafel]

Who cares. Academics; research, baby. Who do you think runs these conferences? Where's the real money?

Think of the hundreds of thousands of tickets they could sell if these conferences started having academic bowls. Calling all mathletes!

[SeattleUte]

LOL.

Within five years Mack Brown will look like those settlers after the Comanche got hold of them in Blood Meridian. Bloody corpse hanging upside down from a tree. The tenured Nobel Laureats at Texas are out to get him. Did you see how furious they are about that raise/bonus? That sealed his doom. Ask Bobby Knight or Jim Harrick or Don James and many others how it works. If he's not Mother Teresa spotless he's toast.

[Babs]

Within five years Mack Brown will look like those settlers after the Comanche got hold of them in Blood Meridian. Bloody corpse haning upside down from a tree. The tenured Nobel Laureats at Texas are out to get him.

Nope. Athletics rule the Big 12. Perhaps you're right. Perhaps Missouri would be a better fit for the Big Ten.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

This post is so ill-informed. The Big 12 has had more BCS title appearances than any other conference, and only the Pac 10 (which has the fewest) has a higher winning percentage than the Big 12 in title games. The Big 12 has a better overall BCS record than the Big 10.

More significantly, the Big 12 claims more AP/Coaches/BCS national championships than any other conference.

Please help me out with your claim that that the Big 12 has the second highest winning percentage (to the Pac 10) in BCS title games.

Let's go back to the beginning:

1999. SEC vs. ACC- SEC wins
2000 Big East vs. ACC- ACC wins
2001 Big 12 vs. ACC- Big 12 wins
2002 Big 12 vs. Big East- Big East wins
2003 Big East vs. Big 10- Big 10 wins
2004 Big 12 vs. SEC- SEC wins
2005 Big 12 vs. Pac 10- Pac 10 wins
2006 Big 12 vs. Pac 10- Big 12 wins
2007 SEC vs. Big 10- SEC wins
2008 SEC vs. Big 10- SEC wins
2009 SEC vs. Big 12- SEC wins

By my count, the SEC is 5-0 in the BCS title game, the Big 12 is 2-4. Are you including all the title games that occurred before the formation of the BCS?

[TripletDaddy]

Football is the only reason they are having this discussion.

This move (allegedly by Missouri) would impact every sport at the school beyond BCS football. And college hoops is a big revenue stream as well....bigger than football for many schools.

Missouri is a fairly balanced program. I would think it would consider its hoops as well as its football before any move is made.

[byu71]

Think of the hundreds of thousands of tickets they could sell if these conferences started having academic bowls. Calling all mathletes!

LOL, there are some hopeful romantics out there that think the academians run the Universitites.

If that were the case, all the schools with athletic budgets in the toilet would drop athletics and focus on academics. Heck, BYU would get rid of athletics and focus on religion and they aren't in the hole financially when it comes to athletics.

[Babs]

Please help me out with your claim that that the Big 12 has the second highest winning percentage (to the Pac 10) in BCS title games.

Let's go back to the beginning:

1999. SEC vs. ACC- SEC wins
2000 Big East vs. ACC- ACC wins
2001 Big 12 vs. ACC- Big 12 wins
2002 Big 12 vs. Big East- Big East wins
2003 Big East vs. Big 10- Big 10 wins
2004 Big 12 vs. SEC- SEC wins
2005 Big 12 vs. Pac 10- Pac 10 wins
2006 Big 12 vs. Pac 10- Big 12 wins
2007 SEC vs. Big 10- SEC wins
2008 SEC vs. Big 10- SEC wins
2009 SEC vs. Big 12- SEC wins

By my count, the SEC is 5-0 in the BCS title game, the Big 12 is 2-4. Are you including all the title games that occurred before the formation of the BCS?

No. When I moved a sentence I screwed that part up. Obviously, the SEC is undefeated in title games. Other than them, the Pac 10, who's only had two appearances, is the only one with a better record, batting 500.

But you can look up all the stats you want. When it comes to football, it's not possible to argue that Big Ten teams have a richer or more successful history than the Big 12. At best (and this is being generous), it's a push.