Big 10 expansion talk heating up

[SeattleUte]

No. When I moved a sentence I screwed that part up. Obviously, the SEC is undefeated in title games. Other than them, the Pac 10, who's only had two appearances, is the only one with a better record, batting 500.

But you can look up all the stats you want. When it comes to football, it's not possible to argue that Big Ten teams have a richer or more successful history than the Big 12.

Football is more of a rural sport, basketball more urban.

[Donuthole]

When it comes to football, it's not possible to argue that Big Ten teams have a richer or more successful history than the Big 12.

Lol. Tell us what else we can't possibly argue, please!

[Babs]

Lol. Tell us what else we can't possibly argue, please!

oh, wait. this is a message board.

carry on.

[TripletDaddy]

Lol. Tell us what else we can't possibly argue, please!

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...1&postcount=97

[falafel]

But you can look up all the stats you want. When it comes to football, it's not possible to argue that Big Ten teams have a richer or more successful history than the Big 12. At best (and this is being generous), it's a push.

So we can look up the stats if we want, but then we can't use them to argue? We've just got to argue based on.... what? Perception? Opinions from life-long residents of Big 12 country?

[SCcoug]

Wasn't the Big 10 found in the 1890s and the Big 12 about a century later?

[beefytee]

Did you read the post? I absolutely am arguing that. The Big 12 HAS MORE NATIONAL TITLES (that's AP, Coaches, and BCS combined) than any other conference, bar none.

You're talking about Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, and Nebraska. That's some serious tradition.

The Big 12 has 3 national titles.

I was talking about conference tradition, not team tradition. The Big 12 is still a new born compared to the Big 10.

I'm not saying that the Big 12 doesn't have great teams, obviously it does. The teams would probably have no problem ditching the conference if a better deal came along (Heard of Arkansas?). Good luck getting a Big 10 team to leave its conference.

What bowl game does the Big 12 champion go to again? You mean the one with the old WAC tie-in?

How much do nathional championship game winners get paid over losers?


And even with the team national championships, I doubt 18 over 15 is a big sway.

[SeattleUte]

LOL, there are some hopeful romantics out there that think the academians run the Universitites.

If that were the case, all the schools with athletic budgets in the toilet would drop athletics and focus on academics. Heck, BYU would get rid of athletics and focus on religion and they aren't in the hole financially when it comes to athletics.

Moron, most of the wealthiest schools in America don't even have DI sports programs. It's mostly an area where public schools excel, particularly in football. Do you know what the academic budget is for a school like Michigan? Here is what Wikipedia says about the research budget alone:

The university is one of the founding members (1900) of the Association of American Universities. With over 6,200 faculty members, 73 of whom are members of the National Academy and 451 of whom hold an endowed chair in their discipline,[95] the university manages one of the largest annual collegiate research budgets of any university in the United States, totaling about $775 million per annum from 2004 to 2005, and $797 million in 2006, $823 million as of year end 2007, and $876 million as of the academic year 2007/8.[14] In 2009, the university research budget passed the $1 Billion milestone.[96] The Medical School spent the most at over US $333 million, while the College of Engineering was second at more than $131 million.[14] UM also has a technology transfer office, which is the university conduit between laboratory research and corporate commercialization interests.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan[/ame]

Do you know what Michigan's football budget is? In 2005 the budget was $59 million for all varsity sports?:

The University of Michigan has budgeted $59 million this year for its 26 varsity teams.

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2005/03/01/12187/

The ratio at Texas is comparable, I promise.

Now, since you presume money drives everything, what do you think runs things at Michigan?

Don't deliberately act like a yokel and then pretend to know about university priorities. Sorry to be rude, but your attitude is offensive.

[Babs]

So we can look up the stats if we want, but then we can't use them to argue? We've just got to argue based on.... what? Perception? Opinions from life-long residents of Big 12 country?

If you use actual numbers (instead of pulled-out-of-the-ass generalizations) as premises, you can't construct a valid argument that the teams of the Big 10 have a richer tradition than those of the Big 12.

[Babs]

Wasn't the Big 10 found in the 1890s and the Big 12 about a century later?

The Big 12 was founded in 1907, but unlike the Big Ten the Big 12 has changed its name over time to reflect the actual number of teams in the conference.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Within five years Mack Brown will look like those settlers after the Comanche got hold of them in Blood Meridian. Bloody corpse hanging upside down from a tree. The tenured Nobel Laureats at Texas are out to get him. Did you see how furious they are about that raise/bonus? That sealed his doom. Ask Bobby Knight or Jim Harrick or Don James and many others how it works. If he's not Mother Teresa spotless he's toast.

You can rest assured that any critics of Mack Brown in Austin are a small, whiny minority.

Do you have any idea how much money Texas makes solely from merchandising royalties? They can afford that salary.

[woot]

Moron, most of the wealthiest schools in America don't even have DI sports programs. It's mostly an area where public schools excel, particularly in football. Do you know what the academic budget is for a school like Michigan? Here is what Wikipedia says about the research budget alone:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan

Do you know what Michigan's football budget is? In 2005 the budget was $59 million for all varsity sports?:



http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2005/03/01/12187/

The ratio at Texas is comparable, I promise.

Now, since you presume money drives everything, what do you think runs things at Michigan?

Don't deliberately act like a yokel and then pretend to know about university priorities. Sorry to be rude, but your attitude is offensive.

Good numbers. It seems that Michigan is second in the world in research expenditures, only surpassed by Hopkins. Combined with their status as the winningest program in NCAA football history, that's decent "tradition".

It's pretty funny that anyone thinks that athletics matter much to these schools, at least in the Big 10. Texas is also a great university, but I think the stereotype that the Big 10 is about academics and the Big 12 is about athletics has some merit.

[Donuthole]

It's almost as if Babs thinks the Big 12 has had an automatic tie in to the Granddaddy of Them All for the last century. No richness of tradition there.

[SeattleUte]

You can rest assured that any critics of Mack Brown in Austin are a small, whiny minority.

Do you have any idea how much money Texas makes solely from merchandising royalties? They can afford that salary.

The Univiversity of Michigan's college of engineering alone has a budget 2.5 times as big a its entire varsity sports programs. I always assumed Texas had a simlar orientation. I can't believe you are pitting royalties form sweat shirts and baseball caps against the probably $1 billion in federal grants and contracts and other academic money Texas attracts because of its famous professors, not to mention bright students who pay tens of thousands of dollars in tuition and other outlays.

[falafel]

It's pretty funny that anyone thinks that athletics matter much to these schools, at least in the Big 10. T

Yeah, I'm sure they're all just playing around. Athletics, no athletics -- who cares? :bsflag: