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  • #46
    Originally posted by pelagius View Post
    Total Hereditary Depravity
    Unconditional Election
    Limited Atonement
    Irresistible Grace
    Perseverance of the Saints
    That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue
    "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

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    • #47
      Originally posted by pelagius View Post
      Total Hereditary Depravity
      Unconditional Election
      Limited Atonement
      Irresistible Grace
      Perseverance of the Saints
      At least "P" didn't stand for "Predestination".
      Everything in life is an approximation.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
        At least "P" didn't stand for "Predestination".
        It is in the "Unconditional Election" part ... I'm not really saying Jay is a Calvinist but he has more Calvinistic flare than the rest of us.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by pelagius View Post
          LA, I am no fan of trolling either but in this case it was at least at little bit delightfully ironic ... Jay believes in the total depravity of all mankind. Jay is almost the world's first "TULIP" Mormon. How is it possible that Jay's theology is not well known anymore? His is my favorite theology on the board (even though my theological views are differ significantly often).
          And btw, I'm not hardcore TULIP, and I think you know that and say this just to rib me a little. Which is cool. I'm probably closer to TULIP than 99% of Mormons you'll find, but a Calvinist would reject me as their own. Also btw, TULIP Calvinism is all through the BOM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            And btw, I'm not hardcore TULIP, and I think you know that and say this just to rib me a little. Which is cool. I'm probably closer to TULIP than 99% of Mormons you'll find, but a Calvinist would reject me as their own. Also btw, TULIP Calvinism is all through the BOM.
            You're right ... I did ... I would describe your views as closer to "Arminianism." Agree? (But they don't have a cool acronym).
            Last edited by pelagius; 12-02-2009, 10:59 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by pelagius View Post
              LA, I am no fan of trolling either but in this case it was at least at little bit delightfully ironic ... Jay believes in the total depravity of all mankind. Jay is almost the world's first "TULIP" Mormon. How is it possible that Jay's theology is not well known anymore? His is my favorite theology on the board (even though my theological views are differ significantly often).
              I have to admit that I did not know that. I don't think I've ever read more than 2-3 of Jay's religion posts, not because I don't think he has anything to say, I just haven't read him for some reason.
              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
              ― W.H. Auden

              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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              • #52
                Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                You're right ... I did ... I would describe your views as closer to "Arminianism." Agree? (But they don't have cool acronym).
                And Wikipedia links to this on the Arminianism page, so now I've finally connected the dots.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism
                Everything in life is an approximation.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                  And Wikipedia links to this on the Arminianism page, so now I've finally connected the dots.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism
                  The Pelaginism page should give you a link to Semipelagianism .... Which overlaps, I think, with many Mormons beliefs about grace/salvation.

                  [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipelagianism[/ame]
                  Last edited by pelagius; 12-02-2009, 11:13 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                    You're right ... I did ... I would describe your views as closer to "Arminianism." Agree? (But they don't have a cool acronym).
                    Probably yes. I don't believe atonement was limited. But my doctrinal beliefs are really a moving target, so I reserve the right to change. I've changed a lot over the years and I'm not comfortable getting too intimate about my personal beliefs.

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                    • #55
                      This is my sandbox, I'm not allowed to go in the deep end.
                      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                      ― W.H. Auden

                      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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