TCU 09 best team in MWC history?

[U-Ute]

Nor did it deserve it at the time. The MWC wasn't nearly as good as it is now. The addition of TCU and the loss of Gary Crowton has made it better. All the other teams are pretty much the same as they were during the earlier part of this decade.

True.

Another factor was the newness of the spread option offense. How effective would that team be now that teams have seen it for 5 years? I don't know. It still seems mighty effective if you have the speed (see: TCU '09).

U-Ute

[cougjunkie]

By a quick off the top of the head count:

Alex Smith, Eric Weddle, Chris Kemoeatu, Paris Warren, and Sione Pouha.

I may be forgetting someone.

U-Ute

Paris Warren is hardly an NFL player. Nice try though.

[landpoke]

That was 1996, I think vs Wyoming. The Sark year when BYU went to the Cotton Bowl for New Years Day and beat K State in a thriller (almost a decade before the Utes coattailed BYU's groundbreaking success and meandered into Tempe to play some lowly ranked, unskilled Pitt team).

That Cotton Bowl team was a record breaker.

Yes, Joe Tiller, 1996. That was also still the Super WAC with two divisions and the Vegas championship game.

[SeattleUte]

Yes, Joe Tiller, 1996. That was also still the Super WAC with two divisions and the Vegas championship game.

That decision was the worst ever. How can anyone defend deliberately putting an opponent within range of tying with a field goal vs. having to score a touchdown late in the fourth quarter?

[U-Ute]

Paris Warren is hardly an NFL player. Nice try though.

He spent two years on Tampa Bay and is on the Saints this year.

http://www.nfl.com/players/pariswarr...e?id=WAR713994

"Nice try?" WTF exactly am I trying? He has spent more time in the NFL than you or I. Seems like that's the qualification for being an NFL player. Or don't you consider Ty Detmer an NFL player either?

U-Ute

[Mormon Red Death]

I heard someone say this, and I've been debating it myself.

It comes down to the Utes of '04 and the '09 Frogs.

Yes, the Utes weren't ranked as high, but that's because the MWC didn't get the respect they are getting now. Had that '04 team started with the respect that the MWC teams are getting now, there's no doubt in my mind they would be ranked higher than they were in '04. The only real knock is that they didn't have anyone big on their schedule. TAMU was the only real name, and they pretty much stunk up the place.

That '04 team was pretty awesome. A lot of NFL players off of that team (5 I think). Still, TCU looks pretty dominant.

That'd be one helluva game either way.

U-Ute

to be fair TAMU went 8-4 that year. They didnt really stink up the place.

[U-Ute]

to be fair TAMU went 8-4 that year. They didnt really stink up the place.

You made me look it up. 7-5 actually: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data....php?year=2000

I thought they did worse than that. Must've been those late season losses that tainted my memory.

U-Ute

[JohnnyLingo]

If TCU wins out and looks great in their BCS bowl, I give them the nod.

[SeattleUte]

to be fair TAMU went 8-4 that year. They didnt really stink up the place.

TAMU was every bit as good as Clemson this year. It's just that Clemson was a close game. Unlike that 2004 Utah team, TCU has had two close games, including to an MWC team. By the logic of those here, if you didn't have a close game it means you didn't play any good teams. Pitt was also probably as good as Clemson. When Utah played Pitt it was ranked and the Big East champ.

But if you go by who beat the most good teams, 2008 Utah is the best. It beat one very good, one outstanding team, and one absolutely sensational team in its own back yard (and blew it out). Air Force was also not bad.

I decided I like the Utes being in this discussion, however (and with two seasons as nominees).

[Mormon Red Death]

By a quick off the top of the head count:

Alex Smith, Eric Weddle, Chris Kemoeatu, Paris Warren, and Sione Pouha.

I may be forgetting someone.

U-Ute

Quinton Ganther, Jonathan Fanene

[Mormon Red Death]

You made me look it up. 7-5 actually: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data....php?year=2000

I thought they did worse than that. Must've been those late season losses that tainted my memory.

U-Ute

I stand corrected. They did however play in the 2nd place bowl for their conference. THE COTTON BOWL

[UteStar]

Oh I misread which team LC was referring to. I always thought the 06 was a good team, but not necessarily on of the greats in BYU history. 2001 was a very very good, possibly even a great team pre-Staley injury. 96 was a great team, maybe even the best ever.

That 2004 Ute team may just have scored 125 points on the 2001 BYU team. I can't imagine anyone who thinks that team could hang with any of those Ute teams or this years TCU team.

With that said, if TCU can win their final 2 games and win their bowl game, it would be hard to not say that they are the best ever.

That 2008 Ute team has the most impressive victory in MoWest history (unless TCU plays a big time team in their bowl) but too many close games against subpar competition to say that they are better than this current TCU team. But their schedule was about as tough as it can get for a MoWest team and they won all their games which really says something about them.

That 2004 Ute team was awesome but hard to judge because they did not play a top 10 team.

[DU Ute]

That 2004 Ute team may just have scored 125 points on the 2001 BYU team. I can't imagine anyone who thinks that team could hang with any of those Ute teams or this years TCU team.

That's a little high. I would say 2004 Utah's offense is about 4 touchdowns better than 2001 Hawaii, so I'm going with an even 100 points.

[SeattleUte]

I stand corrected. They did however play in the 2nd place bowl for their conference. THE COTTON BOWL

Clemson will likely finish the regular season 8-4. It finishes at South Carolina. Also, when TCU beat Clemson it was not a good team. It lost three of its first four.

You need to let time pass and gain some perspective to make jugments such as these. But Art was just trying to give a platform to his BYU friends to try to carve into Utah's success, in the only way available.

[U-Ute]

That's a little high. I would say 2004 Utah's offense is about 4 touchdowns better than 2001 Hawaii, so I'm going with an even 100 points.

Would that be considered a whole hundred, or two half hundreds?