Why Wynn now?

[il Padrino Ute]

Didn't Utah win last year because of two missed chip shots by the TCU kicker?

Utah does match up better against TCU. utah has athletes. BYU doesn't. Plus Utah has some mental toughness. That will make the game much more interesting.

No, the Utes won because they did what they needed to do to get the win.

[il Padrino Ute]

Utahs Defense is ranked 17th in the country, TCUs is 1st. Utahs offense is ranked 48th, TCUs is 10th. All signs point to a TCU blowout. Stranger things have happened but with so much uncertainty regarding the QB and playcalling situation I see a TCU blowout.

It makes me laugh when I see BYU fans say that TCU will blow out Utah. How do you guys saying this come to this conclusion? The only thing I can see that would cause you folks to say this is because TCU blew out BYU.

[Hot Lunch]

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that Utah has two undefeated seasons over the last 5 years.

I'll be really happy with a 10 win season. Even a 9 win season would be terrific considering all the players that left this team from last year.

That is another way to look at it and it sounds like that is the approach many Utah fans are taking and some won't accept anything less now. I am just trying to point out that any time a team wins 10 games, it is a pretty damn good season. Some BYU and Utah fans have some unrealistic expectations now for their respective teams. For some BYU fans, they won't be happy until the Y gets to a BCS bowl because Utah has done it twice now and for some Utah fans like SU, he will not easily accept a 10-2 season and will only be happy if they are like USC and go to the BCS every year. Year in and year out there are probably only 10 to 15 teams that win 10 games that year. Fans need to enjoy that.

Il Pad, I am not saying that you aren't enjoying it by the way.

[cougjunkie]

It makes me laugh when I see BYU fans say that TCU will blow out Utah. How do you guys saying this come to this conclusion? The only thing I can see that would cause you folks to say this is because TCU blew out BYU.

Watching Utahs this year and watching TCU this year makes me think they are not very evenly matched. Stranger things have happened but it seems like Utah is playing on borrowed time right now and they are the most confusing 1 loss team in the country. They either have not yet played up to their potential or they are just not very good and will continue to win ugly.

[il Padrino Ute]

That is another way to look at it and it sounds like that is the approach many Utah fans are taking and some won't accept anything less now. I am just trying to point out that any time a team wins 10 games, it is a pretty damn good season. Some BYU and Utah fans have some unrealistic expectations now for their respective teams. For some BYU fans, they won't be happy until the Y gets to a BCS bowl because Utah has done it twice now and for some Utah fans like SU, he will not easily accept a 10-2 season and will only be happy if they are like USC and go to the BCS every year. Year in and year out there are probably only 10 to 15 teams that win 10 games that year. Fans need to enjoy that.

Il Pad, I am not saying that you aren't enjoying it by the way.

I agree with you completely about fans expectations and reality. I was just having a bit of fun with you there. I could have pointed out that Utah is the only team to have two undefeated seasons during the BCS era, but that would have been too much like those you were talking about.

[il Padrino Ute]

Watching Utahs this year and watching TCU this year makes me think they are not very evenly matched. Stranger things have happened but it seems like Utah is playing on borrowed time right now and they are the most confusing 1 loss team in the country. They either have not yet played up to their potential or they are just not very good and will continue to win ugly.

Fair enough.

I still believe however, that most Y fans who say that TCU will blow out Utah do so because TCU has blown out BYU. They just don't want to accept that Utah is more like TCU than like BYU.

[ERCougar]

It makes me laugh when I see BYU fans say that TCU will blow out Utah. How do you guys saying this come to this conclusion? The only thing I can see that would cause you folks to say this is because TCU blew out BYU.

Because last year, 22 of the 23 starters for TCU outplayed Utah. This year, they're all back and better, and by your own admission, Utah has lost some key pieces. And you're on the road.

If that's not good enough for you, Sagarin calls this a 15 pt TCU win.

And FTR, I've never said TCU will blow them out.

[il Padrino Ute]

Because last year, 22 of the 23 starters for TCU outplayed Utah. This year, they're all back and better, and by your own admission, Utah has lost some key pieces. And you're on the road.

If that's not good enough for you, Sagarin calls this a 15 pt TCU win.

And FTR, I've never said TCU will blow them out.

You keep saying that TCU out played Utah, but the end result of the game says that that isn't true.

I'm not expecting the Utes to beat TCU this year, but it won't be a surprise if it happens. Since joining the MWC, TCU is 1-3 against Utah.

[Flystripper]

Fair enough.

I still believe however, that most Y fans who say that TCU will blow out Utah do so because TCU has blown out BYU. They just don't want to accept that Utah is more like TCU than like BYU.

I expect Utah to keep it closer than BYU did, but I don't expect TCU to struggle much with Utah.

[LA Ute]

Nope. Not ol' Whittypants. Just 9-3 and a Poinsettia appearance. Good for him.

(Hey good job averting that Cowboy scare at home. Glad to see the onside kick wasn't in order... come to think of it, that's never off the table for that asshole, is it?)

Wow, thi sis the kind of smack I'd expect to see on CougarBoard. Kind of embarrassing.

[HBCoug]

It makes me laugh when I see BYU fans say that TCU will blow out Utah. How do you guys saying this come to this conclusion? The only thing I can see that would cause you folks to say this is because TCU blew out BYU.

Put me down on record as thinking TCU will beat Utah fairly easily. You may not see a 38-7 beatdown, but I seriously doubt the game will be in question in the 4th quarter. I don't base that conclusion on anything related to how BYU played them. I base it strictly on having seen a lot of both TCU and Utah play this year. This year's Utah team reminds me very much of last year's BYU team...good (not great) teams with good records because they haven't played anybody. You better believe TCU will come out ready to atone for what they perceive to be a game they gave you last year. I don't see how you guys score much on their defense given you now have a true freshman slotted to start in Ft. Worth. They are very fast and very good on defense--they don't miss tackles. Their offense is also very underrated. They don't ask Dalton to put the team on his shoulders, but when he needs to complete passes he is very accurate with an underrated arm. I know his track record v. Utah, but that was as a RS frosh and a sophomore. I guess we'll see if he's improved any. They have 3 or 4 guys who can hurt you in the run game between Turner, Christian, Wesley, and Dalton. Jimmy Young, Jeremy Kerley, and Antoine Hicks are all solid WRs. I think you can take some chances downfield on them with David Reed and Brooks. BYU should have had some deep completions on them, but receivers dropped balls, or they were underthrown.

The only arguments I've heard from Ute fans for why it won't be a blowout is because historically you've played close games with TCU. It reminds me of BYU fans who pointed to '05 and '06 for reasons why we'd move the ball on TCU this year and last. I think your defense is good enough to keep you in the game for a while, but I can see your offense caughing up that football (like they have all year). I just see this TCU team as more similar to that 2004 Utah team than last year's Utah team -- clearly better than anybody else in the conference.

[LA Ute]

As long as Wynn takes care of the ball, Utah will split TCU and BYU, win their bowl game, finish the season ranked, and go into next year with a guy who could be our starter for three years.

True, and very depressing for many, if not most, BYU fans.

Why wouldn't he be content? Victories over Bo Diddly Tech in the Nobody-gives-a-damn Bowl are the backbone of Utah's impressive Bowl record.

Oh, dear. CougarBoard-level smack again. I would say more about the fact that BYU is the program that historically loses those games more than they win them, but someone's already noted that.

Exactly SU , Whit is doing the exact opposite of what you are saying. He is giving up on the season knowing that he will get waxed by both TCU and BYU so he figures he might as well start the rebuilding process now as the smoke and mirrors team that Utah is will soon be exposed.

Junkie, I just knew you'd show up here. You know I love your analysis!

Didn't Utah win last year because of two missed chip shots by the TCU kicker?

I'm always fascinated by the way BYU fans look at that. When a team fails to make its "must" field goals, the team loses. There's no asterisk next to the win for the other team. Something tells me that BYU fans don't think their win in the Kaneshiro "doink" game deserves an asterisk.

It makes me laugh when I see BYU fans say that TCU will blow out Utah. How do you guys saying this come to this conclusion? The only thing I can see that would cause you folks to say this is because TCU blew out BYU.

Stop making observations that embarrass BYU smackers!

[SeattleUte]

All you BYU fans, you're pathetic. You've all become TCU's -----...I'm not going to say it, because it's against my principles to use that word. Regrettably, there's not a word in the English language that conveys the same concept so well.

TCU's total domination of BYU is skewing your judgment. The TCU-BYU MOV is comparable to TCU-Texas State, or TCU-CSU, surpassing TCU-SMU. Clearly there's something queer going on between TCU and BYU that says nothing about Utah-TCU.

[ERCougar]

The thing that touches a nerve here with us BYU fans is likely similar to how annoying we were to you in the mid 80s and 90s--the arrogance. You come away with a lucky victory in SLC (think for a moment if you hadn't won that game...what would your conversation on here be?) and suddenly, a 10-win season and anything less than a BCS bowl is beneath you.

I'm sorry to lump you all in with SU, but I really don't see many of you distancing yourself from his comments. The only thing separating him from UFN is a few more polysyllabic words and some references to ancient Greece.

EDIT: And by "lucky victory", I'm referring of course to TCU 08, although I can see why I might need to have clarified.

[SeattleUte]

The thing that touches a nerve here with us BYU fans is likely similar to how annoying we were to you in the mid 80s and 90s--the arrogance. You come away with a lucky victory in SLC (think for a moment if you hadn't won that game...what would your conversation on here be?) and suddenly, a 10-win season and anything less than a BCS bowl is beneath you.

I'm sorry to lump you all in with SU, but I really don't see many of you distancing yourself from his comments. The only thing separating him from UFN is a few more polysyllabic words and some references to ancient Greece.

The difference is that when we minimized the 1984 faux "national championship" against a 6-6 Big Ten team and the solitary NYD bowl win in a drafty, decrepit, crumbling Cotton Bowl, against a freakishly upstart Kansas State team (for eternity you will have to identify your biggest all-time bowl win as coming againt "Kansas State"; LOL) and highlighted Lavelle's embarrassing bowl record, we were being factual. We were right. We weren't making stuff up like you have been doing.