Bronco vs. Kyle

[TripletDaddy]

Kyle would be a great fit for ND. Family man, church goer, spotless record in terms of ethics, etc. His dad's family is from back there.

Notre Dame is a suicide mission. Only an insane coach would go there. The Irish are basically the other side of the same coin as BYU.

Alumni living in the glory days of the past. Check.
Alumni with unrealistic expectations. Check.
School BoD hamstrings the football program with crazy restrictions: check.

The only difference is the restrictions. In the case of BYU, the BoD wants all of this touchy feely church stuff to take precedent over football (at least in appearance, anyway). At Notre Dame, the school is always going to play a killer schedule. Haters can say what they will about the school and its Domer Thumper fanbase, but nobody can diss Notre Dame for playing a horrible schedule. In any given year....yes, Stanford or Michigan may be weak....but pretty much every year they play SC, Michigan, Michigan State, and a handful of other great schools. The basically play a mini P10 and B10 schedule, with a service academy thrown in. It is always a really nice schedule, year in and year out.

That model doesn't work anymore. And the Irish are paying the price. Until they adopt a new scheduling mentality, any coach that goes in there will wilt under the pressure and unrealistic expectations. And yes, I am aware that they play UConn this year, but they will always schedule a few gimmes in there. The other 8-10 games are generally "respectable" at worst. Often they are fantastic teams with great tradition.

The Irish, much like BYU, needs to get real.

[SeattleUte]

By the way, my policy when coaches who have served my teams well move onto other pastures is to give them a big slap on the fanny and wish them God speed. This was my position when Majerus was out soliciting offers, when Juddy went to head coach the BYU women, and when Urban went to Florida. (Note that when Urban left all but a few of us on Utefans acted like abandoned children; bawling to high heaven; Juddy is despised there for reasons I can't fathom. I always try to be classy.) Who wouldn't have left Utah for Florida? Clearly Urban made a good move.

[il Padrino Ute]

KW isn't going anywhere. He wants to be at Utah. His personality is such that he likes to kick against the pricks and if he left for a bigger name, there would be no need to do that kicking.

[SeattleUte]

KW isn't going anywhere. He wants to be at Utah. His personality is such that he likes to kick against the pricks and if he left for a bigger name, there would be no need to do that kicking.

See what I mean. One of the children speaking here: "Dad would never leave us; he loves mom too much."

[il Padrino Ute]

See what I mean. One of the children speaking here: "Dad would never leave us; he loves mom too much."

You're cute when you think you know what you're talking about, SU.

[ERCougar]

Right now the marquee programs that could have legitimate job openings in the foreseeable future:

Florida State
Penn State
Notre Dame

Texas, Florida, SC, Oklahoma....those schools aren't looking to replace their coaches, there is no coaching controversy, and those coaches aren't going anywhere.

Wouldn't it be wild if Kyle went off to Florida State, with Urban down the road in Gainesville? The U sending off all these coaches to the State of Florida.

I don't see Bronco fielding any great offers right now. If Bronco were to receive an offer, it would be a small step-up (BCS conference), but a lower rung school within that conferece.......maybe an Arizona or Iowa State type school. No football powerhouse....even an also-ran like Washington, would look at Bronco right now. And I like Washington. I am just saying that at one time, they were the shiz and still retain that Husky Pride. Schools that are currently struggling but were once players (Texas A&M, Nebraska, Washington, etc...) will want a bigger name than Bronco.

tOSU? I can't imagine them going after Whittingham, but this is the team that I was thinking about when I posed the question. I also don't know how hot the water that Tressel's sitting in right now.

[SeattleUte]

Notre Dame is a suicide mission. Only an insane coach would go there. The Irish are basically the other side of the same coin as BYU.

Alumni living in the glory days of the past. Check.
Alumni with unrealistic expectations. Check.
School BoD hamstrings the football program with crazy restrictions: check.

The only difference is the restrictions. In the case of BYU, the BoD wants all of this touchy feely church stuff to take precedent over football (at least in appearance, anyway). At Notre Dame, the school is always going to play a killer schedule. Haters can say what they will about the school and its Domer Thumper fanbase, but nobody can diss Notre Dame for playing a horrible schedule. In any given year....yes, Stanford or Michigan may be weak....but pretty much every year they play SC, Michigan, Michigan State, and a handful of other great schools. The basically play a mini P10 and B10 schedule, with a service academy thrown in. It is always a really nice schedule, year in and year out.

That model doesn't work anymore. And the Irish are paying the price. Until they adopt a new scheduling mentality, any coach that goes in there will wilt under the pressure and unrealistic expectations. And yes, I am aware that they play UConn this year, but they will always schedule a few gimmes in there. The other 8-10 games are generally "respectable" at worst. Often they are fantastic teams with great tradition.

The Irish, much like BYU, needs to get real.

So there's no longer any ground for the virtuous to enjoy Div. I success. No more prospect for student athletes to be hoisting the glittering BCS cup. Sad.

[SeattleUte]

tOSU? I can't imagine them going after Whittingham

LOL. Typical; Whit will never get his due with BYU faithful. Why pray tell wouldn't Ohio State go after him? (3D, help me out here; is it prey tell? Prey tail? Something else?) He's done all Urban did at Utah and more. Who available to them is a better prospect?

[TripletDaddy]

tOSU? I can't imagine them going after Whittingham, but this is the team that I was thinking about when I posed the question. I also don't know how hot the water that Tressel's sitting in right now.

Perhaps. It wouldn't be totally out of the question.

I lumped PSU, FSU, and Notre Dame in there because we know that JoPa is almost dead; Bowden is not coming back next year and for recruiting purposes they have to name Butch whats his face as head coach (they need someone to be named in order for kids to commit...I don't believe he is there long-term solution.....TCU should be worried, frankly)...and Notre Dame will always fire you, regardless of money. If Weis doesn't go to a big bowl this season, he is pretty close to adios.

I think tOSU still has love for the Vest. They are just frustrated. Although if the Luckeyes finish ugly...a loss to Michigan and/or another bowl loss....who knows....

[TripletDaddy]

So there's no longer any ground for the virtuous to enjoy Div. I success. No more prospect for student athletes to be hoisting the glittering BCS cup. Sad.

No. It is about stacking your OOC with winnable games and beating a few ranked teams during the season.

Notre Dame's problem is that it does not stack its schedule with enough cupcakes. Of course, everyone knows the reason why......NBC doesn't want to broadcast 6 Notre Dame games a year against the likes of UConn, SDSU, Baylor, and UTEP. If the irish want the NBC money, they have to keep inviting the Michigans and SCs of the world to the party.

[ERCougar]

LOL. Typical; Whit will never get his due with BYU faithful. Why pray tell wouldn't Ohio State go after him? (3D, help me out here; is it prey tell? Prey tail? Something else?) He's done all Urban did at Utah and more. Who available to them is a better prospect?

Well, I really wasn't getting at that, but no, I don't think Kyle would be on their short list at this point (if there is one), based on his bowl victory. Urban pulled off his magic at two schools in what, 4 years? Kyle's maintained the school at the level Urban brought it to. There's a difference.

Anyway, what I was getting at is that it seems like UM, tOSU, ND, etc like to go after guys with ties to the school.

[ERCougar]

No. It is about stacking your OOC with winnable games and beating a few ranked teams during the season.

Notre Dame's problem is that it does not stack its schedule with enough cupcakes. Of course, everyone knows the reason why......NBC doesn't want to broadcast 6 Notre Dame games a year against the likes of UConn, SDSU, Baylor, and UTEP. If the irish want the NBC money, they have to keep inviting the Michigans and SCs of the world to the party.

When I was in B10 country, the "hamstring" that ND fans always complained about wasn't the schedule, but the fact that their academic restrictions were so tough.

As a BYU fan, I always found that a little funny. (Not that I think BYU's academics > ND academics...but there's no comparison between the HC and ND academics)

[UtahDan]

By the way, my policy when coaches who have served my teams well move onto other pastures is to give them a big slap on the fanny and wish them God speed. This was my position when Majerus was out soliciting offers, when Juddy went to head coach the BYU women, and when Urban went to Florida. (Note that when Urban left all but a few of us on Utefans acted like abandoned children; bawling to high heaven; Juddy is despised there for reasons I can't fathom. I always try to be classy.) Who wouldn't have left Utah for Florida? Clearly Urban made a good move.

Amen to this.

[SeattleUte]

Kyle's maintained the school at the level Urban brought it to.

BULLSHIT.

Urban won with Kyle's recruits, Kyle's defense, then left the team totally gutted. Last year's team had no 2004 players on it. You're just proving what I said.

[ERCougar]

BULLSHIT.

Urban won with Kyle's recruits, Kyle's defense, then left the team totally gutted. Last year's team had no 2004 players on it. You're just proving what I said.

Heh...
That's about all I can say to that.