Ranking BYU QB's

[smokymountainrain]

No he didn't. The defense won that game.

Yeah, the game winning drive against what might be the country's best defense was worthless. And the 148 PER against that same defense was weak. The defense played admirably, but Max Hall was nails missing his two best players from the previous year.

26-38, 329 yards.

[Goatnapper'96]

Along the same lines, Sark enjoyed an immensely talented defense.

The most talented defense ever at BYU. I also believe he also enjoyed the deepest and well rounded offense. I think the WR corps is better but KO was as good as any of these guys. I could see Kaipo and Ben Cahoon struggling to get into the rotation though. The tight ends were better than Pitta and George. The OL was better and while neither of the runningbacks were as good as Harvey, they weren't far behind and their skill sets were so complimentary.

Anae is starting to find his groove IMO. But I don't think he is yet Norm Chow. Ever since Anae called one of the most poorly called games with potentially the biggest individual boneheaded call in the history of football (UCLA in '07 Vegas Bowl), I think he has prepared and schemed well.

[JohnnyLingo]

Yeah, the game winning drive against what might be the country's best defense was worthless. And the 145 PER against that same defense was weak. The defense played admirably, but Max Hall was nails missing his two best players from the previous year.

That "game-winning drive" wouldn't have been game winning of Oklahoma had scored one more touchdown. Or one more field goal.

The defense holding Oklahoma in check was everything in that game.

[JohnnyLingo]

Anae is starting to find his groove IMO. But I don't think he is yet Norm Chow. Ever since Anae called one of the most poorly called games with potentially the biggest individual boneheaded call in the history of football, I think he has prepared and schemed well.

To what exactly are you referring to?

[Donuthole]

Max Hall lost Collie, he lost Unga, he lost Jacobsen. Losing those guys didn't and and hasn't affected his play at all. He beat Oklahoma without Unga or Collie. He has played some of the best football of his career without Collie and Jacobsen.

People love to bring this up, but how does one measure "surrounded by talent"? IMO, the guy who was surrounded with the most talent was Steve Sarkisian. Detmer had a ton of talent in the passing game his soph and junior seasons. Beck threw to two NFL WRs and a pretty good TE. Bosco threw to Bellini, Koslowski and Mills (correct me if I'm wrong on these).

Max will have had Unga and Pitta for his entire tenure at BYU, and Collie for two of those years. Those are arguably (for Unga and Pitta) if not unquestionably (for Collie) the best individuals ever to play at those positions in a BYU uniform. Not even arguing defense, I don't really think it's debateable that Max Hall has had more weapons than any other BYU QB.

[smokymountainrain]

That "game-winning drive" wouldn't have been game winning of Oklahoma had scored one more touchdown. Or one more field goal.

The defense holding Oklahoma in check was everything in that game.

Everything except 26-38, 329 yards, a ridiculous game winning TD drive and a 148 passer rating.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

That "game-winning drive" wouldn't have been game winning of Oklahoma had scored one more touchdown. Or one more field goal.

The defense holding Oklahoma in check was everything in that game.

If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle. T

[JohnnyLingo]

Everything except 26-38, 329 yards, a ridiculous game winning TD drive and a 148 passer rating.

Which is all well and good, but if Oklahoma scores 34 in that game (well below what they were predicted to score), how do you feel about Max?

[smokymountainrain]

Max will have had Unga and Pitta for his entire tenure at BYU, and Collie for two of those years. Those are arguably (for Unga and Pitta) if not unquestionably (for Collie) the best individuals ever to play at those positions in a BYU uniform. Not even arguing defense, I don't really think it's debateable that Max Hall has had more weapons than any other BYU QB.

I don't disagree with any of that - I just hope it doesn't detract from how good he is. He is playing better without Collie than he did with him. He played fantastic against one of the best defenses in the country without Unga.

Yes, he has played with some of BYU's best, but he has shown that when he doesn't have those guys he continues to hit guys in the numbers and move the ball down the field.

[smokymountainrain]

Which is all well and good, but if Oklahoma scores 34 in that game (well below what they were predicted to score), how do you feel about Max?

I would feel the same about him just as I do about the FSU game. Prior to his first INT, he was killing FSU, yet losing 30-14 because the defense couldn't stop the other team.

The fact is, against OU he played an excellent game against a great defense missing his two best offensive players from the previous year.

[Goatnapper'96]

Max will have had Unga and Pitta for his entire tenure at BYU, and Collie for two of those years. Those are arguably (for Unga and Pitta) if not unquestionably (for Collie) the best individuals ever to play at those positions in a BYU uniform. Not even arguing defense, I don't really think it's debateable that Max Hall has had more weapons than any other BYU QB.

Unga is good, but the reason he is special is because he was so good so young. BYU will have backs that will have years as good as Unga's 33-50% of the time, I just doubt they have many that do it 3 times in a row individually. I like Harvey and the kid can play, but I think that future studs that will come that perform likewise.

Pitta is good, but trust me when I assure you that in 2-3 years either Austin Holt, Richard Wilson or Braden Brown will be followed or preceded with the words "best tight end in BYU history."

Collie has no equal in BYU history and I doubt that will ever change. He was the once a decade skill player BYU got in this decade. The last decade was Luke Staley and hopefully next decade is Jake Heaps, but that will make for some long years in the latter half of the decade......

I left out that the rare was having this many all at once, other than Collie as I doubt BYU ever has another one of those.

[JohnnyLingo]

I would feel the same about him just as I do about the FSU game. Prior to his first INT, he was killing FSU, yet losing 30-14 because the defense couldn't stop the other team.

The fact is, against OU he played an excellent game against a great defense missing his two best offensive players from the previous year.

Right, but he doesn't get the "Beat Oklahoma" notch on his belt. Moral victories don't seem to count much when all is said and done.

My point is he gets a lot of credit for the defense playing out of their minds that night.

[Goatnapper'96]

I would feel the same about him just as I do about the FSU game. Prior to his first INT, he was killing FSU, yet losing 30-14 because the defense couldn't stop the other team.

The fact is, against OU he played an excellent game against a great defense missing his two best offensive players from the previous year.

He has been at his best when it mattered most. I expect him to continue to play well this year. I think he will seriously molest the poor teams and do good damage to the good teams. He could finish like Beck did from TCU-Oregon in 2006.

[JohnnyLingo]

I think he will seriously molest the poor teams and do good damage to the good teams. He could finish like Beck did from TCU-Oregon in 2006.

And I sincerely hope he does.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Pitta is good, but trust me when I assure you that in 2-3 years either Austin Holt, Richard Wilson or Braden Brown will be followed or preceded with the words "best tight end in BYU history."

That smacks of hyperbole there.