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Pippen's a moron - he acts as if no wing ever dropped 30 on the Bulls. You take Pippen over Draymond, but Draymond is a better player overall than Rodman and I'd take him over Kukoc.
which team would win or who is better is an impossible question to answer, but creekster is absolutely right that the older and fatter we get the faster and better we were, but more than that, when Pippen talks, the bias is off the charts. I think Ty Detmer is the greatest offensive player ever to play college football - I'm biased - multiply that bias by about 100 when Pippen is offering an opinion on Bulls v Warriors. He has no credibility.
Also, all the talk of "physical play" back in the day is ridiculously overrated.
The way I see it, because it's an impossible question to answer, if the Warriors win 73, they are the better team by default.Last edited by smokymountainrain; 04-11-2016, 01:43 PM.I'm like LeBron James.
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FIFYOriginally posted by smokymountainrain View PostPippen's a moron - he acts as if no wing ever dropped 30 on the Bulls. You take Pippen over Draymond, but Draymond is a better player overall than Rodman and I'd take him over Kukoc.
which team would win or who is better is an impossible question to answer, but creekster is absolutely right that the older and fatter we get the faster and better we were, but more than that, when Pippen talks, the bias is off the charts. I think Ty Detmer is the greatest offensive player ever to play college football - I'm biased - multiply that bias by about 100 when Pippen is offering an opinion on Bulls v Warriors. He has no credibility.
Also, all the talk of "physical play" back in the day is ridiculously overrated.
The way I see it, because it's an impossible question to answer, if the Warriors win 73 and the title, they are the better team by default.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
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The Bulls shot 16.5 three pointers per game and made 40.3%. Their opponents shot 15.2 per game and made 35%. Warriors shoot 31.4 a game and make 41.5%. It's a completely different style than the Bulls saw, and I don't think they could stop it. The Warriors would have their heads spinning with the way they pass the ball around, and there would be driving lanes open constantly. I also believe team defense principles have evolved such that the Warriors D would be better than any D the Bulls faced that year. I don't think it would be close.
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Pippen would guard Curry
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I agree completely. Of course this Golden State team and the Spurs this year are far better than any of those Bulls teams. I personally even think Cleveland and OKC are probably better.Originally posted by jay santos View PostThe Bulls shot 16.5 three pointers per game and made 40.3%. Their opponents shot 15.2 per game and made 35%. Warriors shoot 31.4 a game and make 41.5%. It's a completely different style than the Bulls saw, and I don't think they could stop it. The Warriors would have their heads spinning with the way they pass the ball around, and there would be driving lanes open constantly. I also believe team defense principles have evolved such that the Warriors D would be better than any D the Bulls faced that year. I don't think it would be close.
The NBA in general and especially the elite teams have come a long way in understanding of offensive and defensive principles and in generating efficient scoring. Teams in the 90s were still just clearing out and going one-on-one when they really needed a bucket.
I think all this talk about about the hand checking rules is totally irrelevant too. When you whip the ball around and shoot an open corner 3 (the most efficient shot in basketball) like GSW and the Spurs who gives a shit about hand checking?
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I'm of the opinion that winning 73 stands on its own and doesn't need to be validated by winning it all.
Here is a list of NBA Champions since 1947, and NONE of them won 73 games, and neither did any other team that didn't win a Championship. Champions come and go, but 73 has NEVER been done by anybody at anytime, and that feat is greater than a Championship because the body of work, and the other teams getting in line to beat them every night. No team may ever beat the number 73, and if Jordan and the Bulls couldn't do it - who will? I predict I will die with no other team winning 74 games in a single season.
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I'm not sure Jerry West gets enough credit for the brilliant job he has done wherever he has gone. He kept the Lakers at the top while he was GM there and although his contributions may be limited in GS they are at the top. He also was my favorite player growing up so I may be a little bias but I don't think so.Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostAn interesting (at least to GS fans and to anyone interested in how to run an NBA team in today's environment) NYT article about how the change in ownership lifted the Warriors from the depths of mediocrity to become a very strong franchise.
Among the interesting bits was the infamous moment when at the Mullin award ceremony the fans booed the new principal owner for trading Monta Ellis:
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He did a great job in Memphis also. Jerry West is a witch.Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostI'm not sure Jerry West gets enough credit for the brilliant job he has done wherever he has gone. He kept the Lakers at the top while he was GM there and although his contributions may be limited in GS they are at the top. He also was my favorite player growing up so I may be a little bias but I don't think so.A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali
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West played a significant role in the Warriors' trade of Monta Ellis for Bogut, which resulted in the owner getting booed lustily by the crowd during a ceremony for Chris Mullin. Ellis had actually been West's (not to mention the fan base's) favorite player, but he said making the change would create a much better future line-up for GS. Not only did the Warriors get a good center, the trade allowed them to move Ellis's back-up to a starting role. Thus the Steph Curry Era began. West has a lot better vision and more guts than most front office guys.
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