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  • Barnwell sez: DH is right.

    The Weather

    Did Peyton Manning have a disappointing game? And was it because of the frigid New England weather? I'm going with sorta and probably not.


    Manning's numbers — 19-of-36 for 150 yards, two touchdowns, one interception — are unquestionably pedestrian. No arguing that. Of course, there's context that also needs to be applied to any set of quarterback statistics. Manning was playing the vast majority of this game with a lead, meaning he spent most of his time handing off and passing only in obvious situations. That naturally depresses a quarterback's numbers, and the Denver running game was incredible: The Broncos ran the ball 48 times for a whopping 280 yards. When he did throw, the Patriots were able to get consistent pressure on Manning, as left tackle Chris Clark had a truly disappointing performance after his great work against the Chiefs a week ago.


    When he needed to come up with a game-tying score, Manning delivered the drive of the night from either team, with a number of throws fit into minuscule windows or delivered on a surprisingly tight rope. That drive even included two consecutive drops from his receivers, who collectively didn't have a great night, either. Demaryius Thomas couldn't escape Talib, Eric Decker was anonymous, and Welker was essentially a non-factor as a wideout in his return to Foxborough, dropping one pass and having another knocked out of his hands. It doesn't excuse Manning's performance, but it qualifies some of the critiques.


    The bigger question being asked is whether Manning is materially affected by cold weather. I don't believe that to be true. The stat going around before the game was that Manning was 0-2 in games where the temperature was below 20 degrees at kickoff, which is absurd for reasons beyond the small sample; one of those games was a meaningless 30-7 loss to the Bills in Week 17 of the 2009 season when Manning played only in the first quarter (leaving with the score 7-7) before turning things over to Curtis Painter. His touchdown ratio was 11-to-13 in games played at 32 degrees or under, but using the freezing point is an arbitrary cutoff for determining whether a day is "cold."


    You can see Manning's performance as split into 20-degree buckets for yourself here. His numbers look dramatically better if you include his other rate statistics and those games played with a starting temperature between 33 and 40 degrees, which isn't exactly balmy. It's a smaller sample, but none of his statistics suggest there's anything specific about Manning's performance in colder games that stands out as a sign of his weakness there. It's also true that just about every quarterback plays a little worse in cold weather than in warm weather,4 so we would expect Manning to be a bit worse. Unless you think there's a meaningful difference in terms of Manning's ability to throw the football between 30 degrees and 35 degrees, the evidence suggesting Manning folds in cold weather is flimsy. If Manning had a bad game Sunday, it was because he had a bad game, not because he can't handle the cold.
    Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

    There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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    • Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
      I hate Utah as much as the next guy but as Dolphins fan I am forced to embrace several former Utes as they move on to the NFL. On Sunday the Dolphins and Panthers played and the field was covered with former Ute players.

      Panthers
      Steve Smith
      Star Lotulelei
      Jordan Gross

      Dolphins
      Sam Brenner (started at Center and sucked)
      RJ Stanford (special teams player and 4th corner didn't get a ton of time)
      Koa Misi(waiting for him to make some type of impact for Miami)
      Paul Soliai (absolute monster one of the most underrated D-tackles in the NFL)
      Derrick Shelby (been a steal for Miami as an undrafted free agent)


      Of course the most important player on the field was former BYU cougar John Denney who is a pro-bowl long snapper.
      I wonder what everyone who picked before Carolina thinks of Star's heart condition at this point. The Panthers absolutely nailed their last two first rounders.
      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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      • Douger, I would kill to have Peyton Manning at this point. Denver has had a ton of injuries this year, including to their offensive line. Just look at the loaves Colin Kaepernick has been pinching on the field while he's playing with a premium defense, o-line and RBs.

        Prior to the Niners beating the Pats last year in December, the Pats had been beaten something like once in 10 years in Foxboro during that month. For all intents and purposes, that was a December game last night.

        But it also goes without saying that I'd be worried about Manning playing in cold weather against a defense that knows how to scheme against him. Manning's an old QB and old QBs usually don't play exceptionally well in cold weather. Denver would still be fine because they should still get homefield in the playoffs, but the Super Bowl is in effing NEW JERSEY this year. Perhaps Denver will get lucky and get to play the Saints, but more likely they'll be playing Seattle and Manning is going to have to go against that pass rush and Sherman/Thomas/Browner in the secondary.
        Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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        • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
          I wonder what everyone who picked before Carolina thinks of Star's heart condition at this point. The Panthers absolutely nailed their last two first rounders.
          Don't get me wrong as he is playing fairly well, but he's averaging almost 3 tackles a game and has 2 sacks on the season. IMO, that's about right for his draft position. Star is a good player. But guys drafted in the first round are supposed to be good. It's not as if he's dominating or having a pro-bowl type season.
          I'm like LeBron James.
          -mpfunk

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          • Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
            I hate Utah as much as the next guy but as Dolphins fan I am forced to embrace several former Utes as they move on to the NFL. On Sunday the Dolphins and Panthers played and the field was covered with former Ute players.

            Panthers
            Steve Smith
            Star Lotulelei
            Jordan Gross

            Dolphins
            Sam Brenner (started at Center and sucked)
            RJ Stanford (special teams player and 4th corner didn't get a ton of time)
            Koa Misi(waiting for him to make some type of impact for Miami)
            Paul Soliai (absolute monster one of the most underrated D-tackles in the NFL)
            Derrick Shelby (been a steal for Miami as an undrafted free agent)


            Of course the most important player on the field was former BYU cougar John Denney who is a pro-bowl long snapper.
            I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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            • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
              Don't get me wrong as he is playing fairly well, but he's averaging almost 3 tackles a game and has 2 sacks on the season. IMO, that's about right for his draft position. Star is a good player. But guys drafted in the first round are supposed to be good. It's not as if he's dominating or having a pro-bowl type season.
              Look up how many defensive tackles get 50 tackles in a season. He wasn't regarded as a pass-rushing DT coming out of college. And it pretty much is between Star and Alonso for defensive rookie of the year.
              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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              • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                Look up how many defensive tackles get 50 tackles in a season. He wasn't regarded as a pass-rushing DT coming out of college. And it pretty much is between Star and Alonso for defensive rookie of the year.
                Yep. Stars job is to eat up blockers to free up the other guys for the tackles.
                I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                  Douger, I would kill to have Peyton Manning at this point. Denver has had a ton of injuries this year, including to their offensive line. Just look at the loaves Colin Kaepernick has been pinching on the field while he's playing with a premium defense, o-line and RBs.

                  Prior to the Niners beating the Pats last year in December, the Pats had been beaten something like once in 10 years in Foxboro during that month. For all intents and purposes, that was a December game last night.

                  But it also goes without saying that I'd be worried about Manning playing in cold weather against a defense that knows how to scheme against him. Manning's an old QB and old QBs usually don't play exceptionally well in cold weather. Denver would still be fine because they should still get homefield in the playoffs, but the Super Bowl is in effing NEW JERSEY this year. Perhaps Denver will get lucky and get to play the Saints, but more likely they'll be playing Seattle and Manning is going to have to go against that pass rush and Sherman/Thomas/Browner in the secondary.
                  I do love having him on my team. I just don't know that the ultimate goal is going to be reached despite how great he's been. And the NFL is a bunch of idiots for caving to New York's desire to hos the Super Bowl. It should be in a dome or warm locale and that has nothing to do with my team, I just think you should remove weather as a factor as best you can.
                  Will donate kidney for B12 membership.

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                  • Lions (-6.5) over Packers

                    Raiders over Cowboys (-9.5)

                    Ravens (-3) over Steelers
                    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                    • C'mon, Bush.
                      "What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone

                      "What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky

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                      • Nice sack on third down by Ziggy.
                        "What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone

                        "What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky

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                        • All the whiners about NYC Super Bowl must hate hearing about the Ice Bowl and being the greatest NFL game ever. Would have been awesomer in Tampa Bay. This is one of those things that proves people just love to complain.
                          Get confident, stupid
                          -landpoke

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                          • Ziggy is a monster. Leads all rookies in sacks and he has missed 4 games.

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                            *Banned*

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                            • I miss Ziggy.
                              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                              • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                                I miss Ziggy.
                                It's almost like we never got to enjoy him as BYU fans. He came into his own, got his shot, and was gone a few games later.
                                Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                                There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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