2011 NBA Draft

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Chad Ford reporting a 33" max vert for Jimmer. Someone on CB said he had 14 reps on the bench which would put him just outside the top 10.

Not terrible, but probably one of the lower numbers for PGs.

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Jimmer's 3/4 court sprint number is a solid 3.21. Chris Paul was at 3.22 for some perspective.

[MarkGrace]

Jimmer's 3/4 court sprint number is a solid 3.21. Chris Paul was at 3.22 for more evidence of why drawing any real conclusions based on the athletic testing is mostly silly.

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[cougjunkie]

So wait a minute Chad Ford is on Klay Thompsons tip talking about how well he shot the ball yet he finished dead last on college 3 pointers.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...s-Results-3726

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

So wait a minute Chad Ford is on Klay Thompsons tip talking about how well he shot the ball yet he finished dead last on college 3 pointers.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...s-Results-3726

The basketball drills done at the combine make even less sense than the athletic testing. Why even have the guys shoot stand still jumpers with no pressure and a perfect pass coming to them each time? Are they suddenly going to think Thompson can't shoot even though they have seasons of game film showing that he can?

"I've seen Jimmer play 6 games live and then watched another 20 games on tape. But I want to see how he does dribbling this ball up the court during the combine to really know how well he can control that ball."

[Jacob]

So Jimmer is agile, he was the fastest in lane agility, and it wasn't even close. Not like we didn't know he could change directions with the best of them on that killer cross-over.
I know these numbers don't mean anything. But I'm fully on the Jimmer bandwagon now.

Seriously, look at the (meaningless) numbers for the projected 1st round picks:
1. Jimmer - 10.42
2 - Knight - 10.74
3 - Walker - 10.87
4 - 10.92

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So Jimmer is agile, he was the fastest in lane agility, and it wasn't even close. Not like we didn't know he could change directions with the best of them on that killer cross-over.
I know these numbers don't mean anything. But I'm fully on the Jimmer bandwagon now.

Seriously, look at the (meaningless) numbers for the projected 1st round picks:
1. Jimmer - 10.42
2 - Knight - 10.74
3 - Walker - 10.87
4 - 10.92

I don't think these numbers are completely meaningless. I think a person can safely assume Jimmer isn't as slow as his white skin and thick body make him look. That he can hold his own in terms of speed and quickness.

That said, when you combine his low 33" vert number with his relatively short arms, his max vert reach number of 10.9" was the 2nd lowest in the draft. Jimmer can't jump. Once again, no surprise there.

[Jacob]

That said, when you combine his low 33" vert number with his relatively short arms, his max vert reach number of 10.9" was the 2nd lowest in the draft. Jimmer can't jump. Once again, no surprise there.

No surprise, but also irrelevant. Jimmer doesn't use/need a ridiculously high vertical. He's not dunking or blocking shots. Not much benefit to his jumping 2" higher. My only concern is that he won't be available at 12.

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No surprise, but also irrelevant. Jimmer doesn't use/need a ridiculously high vertical. He's not dunking or blocking shots. Not much benefit to his jumping 2" higher. My only concern is that he won't be available at 12.

I agree that it's irrelevant. I doubt any NBA scouts give a rat's ass about Jimmer's potential dunking or shot blocking ability.

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DeMarcus Cousins - 6'10.75", 7'5.75" wingspan, 9'5" reach, 23.5" no step vert, 27.5" max vert, 11.4 sprint, 3.55 lane agility

Enes Kanter - 6'11.25", 7'1.5" wingspan, 9'1.5" reach, 26" no-step vert, 32.5" max vert, 11.3 sprint, 3.26 lane agility

That is a fairly significantly standing reach difference between the two, but I wonder based on the very little we've seen of Kanter is there any doubt that he would have been at least as good as Cousins during one year of college ball for Kentucky?

Andrew Bogut - 7'0.25", 7'3" wingspan, 9'2.5" reach, 27.5" no-step vert, 32.5" max vert, 12.06 sprint, 3.51 lane agility

I think Bogut might be a better comparison and the measureables are pretty close. But Bogut had a few years of college to develop his game and then was willing to work hard to become a significantly improved defensive player once in the NBA. Kanter seems willing to put the work in, but will that change once the checks start coming in?

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DeMarcus Cousins - 6'10.75", 7'5.75" wingspan, 9'5" reach, 23.5" no step vert, 27.5" max vert, 11.4 sprint, 3.55 lane agility

Enes Kanter - 6'11.25", 7'1.5" wingspan, 9'1.5" reach, 26" no-step vert, 32.5" max vert, 11.3 sprint, 3.26 lane agility

That is a fairly significantly standing reach difference between the two, but I wonder based on the very little we've seen of Kanter is there any doubt that he would have been at least as good as Cousins during one year of college ball for Kentucky?

Andrew Bogut - 7'0.25", 7'3" wingspan, 9'2.5" reach, 27.5" no-step vert, 32.5" max vert, 12.06 sprint, 3.51 lane agility

I think Bogut might be a better comparison and the measureables are pretty close. But Bogut had a few years of college to develop his game and then was willing to work hard to become a significantly improved defensive player once in the NBA. Kanter seems willing to put the work in, but will that change once the checks start coming in?

I think the biggest question for Kanter are the basketball things - only because he hasn't played much. Will he do the little things that make guys good - will he rebound? will he fight for position in the post? Will he play in the paint and draw fouls? Will he care on the defensive end? Does he have legit post moves and can he finish? Will he run the floor consistently?

Based on what we know of him, from an athletic standpoint, physically he's capable of doing these things, but can he play? With Bogut, and even Cousins to a lesser extent, we saw that these guys could and would do some of those things. No matter what Bogut's ceiling was as an NBA player, we knew he would at least come in and rebound, compete hard and defend the ball pretty well. Kanter seems like a complete unknown in terms of whether or not he's a basketball player.

[Jacob]

but I wonder based on the very little we've seen of Kanter is there any doubt that he would have been at least as good as Cousins during one year of college ball for Kentucky??

I'd say there is significant doubt based on the fact that Cousins actually performed amazingly, and Kanter didn't. It's not as if Cousins feats were small and could be matched by a reasonably good center at the same school.

I did hear that Patrick Patterson said, before Kanter was ruled ineligible, that Kanter would have an even better year than Cousins did, but I wouldn't put much into that.

[cougjunkie]

The basketball drills done at the combine make even less sense than the athletic testing. Why even have the guys shoot stand still jumpers with no pressure and a perfect pass coming to them each time? Are they suddenly going to think Thompson can't shoot even though they have seasons of game film showing that he can?

"I've seen Jimmer play 6 games live and then watched another 20 games on tape. But I want to see how he does dribbling this ball up the court during the combine to really know how well he can control that ball."

I agree it does not mean that Thompson can or can't shoot. But what it means is that to say he had a great combine and was shooting lights out like Ford and other talking heads said is not accurate.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I agree it does not mean that Thompson can or can't shoot. But what it means is that to say he had a great combine and was shooting lights out like Ford and other talking heads said is not accurate.

DX wrote about that disconnect, saying that he only hit nine 3's in that particular drill and yet scouts came away raving about his shooting. So I don't know what other drills he might have done that might have gone a lot better, or maybe they just thought his form was consistent and repeatable and they were going off of that.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I'd say there is significant doubt based on the fact that Cousins actually performed amazingly, and Kanter didn't. It's not as if Cousins feats were small and could be matched by a reasonably good center at the same school.

I did hear that Patrick Patterson said, before Kanter was ruled ineligible, that Kanter would have an even better year than Cousins did, but I wouldn't put much into that.

Yeah, I didn't type that out correctly. Didn't mean to imply that his being very good in college was a forgone conclusion. But based on what Kentucky players and particularly Calipari said about him before he was ruled ineligible makes me think he would have been just as productive. They did see him in practice against the solid talent that Kentucky roster carries and right on the heels of Cousins being there in that system and practicing against a lot of the same players.