Official 49ers Thread

[cougjunkie]

Seattle didn't become contenders by giving up first round picks and paying team headaches 10% of their salary cap for 500 receiving yards. They've proven to be very adept in the draft but apprently can't resist going full Snyder when they feel they're one player away. I couldn't be happier they've made the uncharacteristic move, they'll just have a more difficult time resigning other guys on their team in the future.

2007- traded pick for deion branch
2008- Lawrence Jackson had 2 sacks and was traded after year two in the league for a 6th round pick.
2009- Aaron Curry just cut by his 4th team
2010- Earl Thomas solid pick
2011- Russell Okung good player when healthy has had ankle problems
2012- James Carpenter has had his season end early two years in a row.
2012- Bruce Irvin a situational pass rusher that had 17 total tackles.

Looks like they have had great success in the first round. Quit overvaluing unproven talent. If Harvin was in this years draft he would go a hell of lot higher than the mid 20s.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

2007- traded pick for deion branch
2008- Lawrence Jackson had 2 sacks and was traded after year two in the league for a 6th round pick.
2009- Aaron Curry just cut by his 4th team
2010- Earl Thomas solid pick
2011- Russell Okung good player when healthy has had ankle problems
2012- James Carpenter has had his season end early two years in a row.
2012- Bruce Irvin a situational pass rusher that had 17 total tackles.

Looks like they have had great success in the first round. Quit overvaluing unproven talent. If Harvin was in this years draft he would go a hell of lot higher than the mid 20s.

Why don't you waste more time and look back at all their picks going back to 1975, it's as relevant as pointing out who they drafted between 2007-2009. But hey, thanks for looking up they drafted after 2010 when the current regime was hired.

2010 Earl Thomas- pro bowler
2011 Russell Okung- pro bowler
2012 Bruce Irvin- a situational pass rusher who got 8 sacks as a rookie.

Two pro bowlers and a situational pass rusher who seemed adept at doing what he was drafted to do.

It's also hilarious that Okung's injury issues all of a sudden are a pressing point as it relates to the soundness of a draft pick while ignoring Harvin's relatively extensive injury history itself as it relates to the value of the trade and devoting 10% of your salary cap to a player at likes to chuck 10 lb weights at his coach's head and has bitched his entire college an pro career. Harvin has never been happy and he won't all of a sudden start being happy in Seattle.

I couldn't be more thrilled that Seattle made this play for Harvin. If they would have instead pledged the pick and resources towards acquiring Victor Cruz, I would have been both impressed and terrified.

[cougjunkie]

Half the NFL makes the pro bowl so use something else.

You still have not addressed the question can the Seahawks find a better receiver than Harvin at pick 25?

Amazing you are ripping the Seahawks when 30 yr old Frank Gores cap number is 8 million next year. Throw in Vernon Davis and his 6 catches over the last 6 games (8.5 against the cap) and 34 year old Justin smith (8.2) you may want to worry about your own franchise spending money.

[The_Douger]

I don't think they can get someone better than Harvin at 25.

Harvin is weird though. Every time he gets pissy or doesn't want to practice he gets migraines.

He's nicked up quite a bit as well.

I think they paid a heavy price for him because not only did they give up draft picks, they paid him too. So, you are soaking a lot of future returns in to one guy.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Half the NFL makes the pro bowl so use something else.

You still have not addressed the question can the Seahawks find a better receiver than Harvin at pick 25?

Amazing you are ripping the Seahawks when 30 yr old Frank Gores cap number is 8 million next year. Throw in Vernon Davis and his 6 catches over the last 6 games (8.5 against the cap) and 34 year old Justin smith (8.2) you may want to worry about your own franchise spending money.

Half the NFL doesn't make the pro bowl and half the guys drafted as recently as 2010 and 2011 really haven't made the pro bowl. The stat geeks indicated that Seattle's line was very good at run blocking and average at pass blocking, kind of like San Francisco only better at pass blocking.

I don't care which receiver they could have picked at #25, I don't think they should have picked one if they had held onto the pick. They didn't lose to Atlanta because of their receivers. The pick is only half of why it was a bad deal, the other half is giving up 10% of your salary cap to a guy who has made a career out of bitching and throwing 10lb weights at his coach's head and not actually producing much on the field aside from what he did as a rookie. Giving guys like this big contracts rarely works out very well.

As for the players you cited, they all cost less than Harvin. Justin Smith was nearly the defensive player of the year in 2011 and was injured for the first time in his career in 2012. He has been worth every penny. He may drop off this year but no one knows yet. Unlike Harvin, he has been the model of durability and consistency throughout his career up until his torn tricep tendon. And 2013 is his last year under the contract. I don't think he'll be resigned unless he wants to play for cheap on a two year contract, but Seattle will have either cut Harvin or will paying him way more than he's worth long after San Francisco is paying Smith 8 million. Nobody laughs at paying Justin Smith $8 million this year except for you.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 8 million figure on Gore, he's costing 6.5 next year. Get your shit straight. Again no one laughs at $6.5 million for a guy that gets 1200 yards every year except for you.

Finally, you conveniently forgot Vernon Davis's production during the postseason. Admittedly his lack of production to finish out the regular season was disappointing, but it also coincided with Kaepernick's first games as a starter after the Chicago game. But after 2013, Davis is going to cost around $7.3 million per year, 4 million less than Harvin and last thing I heard Davis wasn't the NFL's version of Latrell Sprewell (only with a lot less actual production).

It's hilarious that the best three examples you could find to argue about bad 49er contracts were Justinfreaking Smith, Frank Gore and Vernon Davis, I think that tells you everything you need to know about the 49ers management. These guys don't exactly have that Albert Haynesworth Skins size contract like you're trying to argue. On the other hand, I look forward to Harvin going Haynesworth on Seattle; however, I think he'll behave himself in 2013 before the real salary kicks in and then go off the deep end in 2014.

Harvin has never been happy and his bullshit won't stop just because he's in Seattle. He was an asshole to Urban Meyer, the bald coach he liked to throw 10 lb weights at and Leslie Frazier.

[cougjunkie]

Half the NFL doesn't make the pro bowl and half the guys drafted as recently as 2010 and 2011 really haven't made the pro bowl. The stat geeks indicated that Seattle's line was very good at run blocking and average at pass blocking, kind of like San Francisco only better at pass blocking.

I don't care which receiver they could have picked at #25, I don't think they should have picked one if they had held onto the pick. They didn't lose to Atlanta because of their receivers. The pick is only half of why it was a bad deal, the other half is giving up 10% of your salary cap to a guy who has made a career out of bitching and throwing 10lb weights at his coach's head and not actually producing much on the field aside from what he did as a rookie. Giving guys like this big contracts rarely works out very well.

As for the players you cited, they all cost less than Harvin. Justin Smith was nearly the defensive player of the year in 2011 and was injured for the first time in his career in 2012. He has been worth every penny. He may drop off this year but no one knows yet. Unlike Harvin, he has been the model of durability and consistency throughout his career up until his torn tricep tendon. And 2013 is his last year under the contract. I don't think he'll be resigned unless he wants to play for cheap on a two year contract, but Seattle will have either cut Harvin or will paying him way more than he's worth long after San Francisco is paying Smith 8 million. Nobody laughs at paying Justin Smith $8 million this year except for you.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 8 million figure on Gore, he's costing 6.5 next year. Get your shit straight. Again no one laughs at $6.5 million for a guy that gets 1200 yards every year except for you.

Finally, you conveniently forgot Vernon Davis's production during the postseason. Admittedly his lack of production to finish out the regular season was disappointing, but it also coincided with Kaepernick's first games as a starter after the Chicago game. But after 2013, Davis is going to cost around $7.3 million per year, 4 million less than Harvin and last thing I heard Davis wasn't the NFL's version of Latrell Sprewell (only with a lot less actual production).

It's hilarious that the best three examples you could find to argue about bad 49er contracts were Justinfreaking Smith, Frank Gore and Vernon Davis, I think that tells you everything you need to know about the 49ers management. These guys don't exactly have that Albert Haynesworth Skins size contract like you're trying to argue. On the other hand, I look forward to Harvin going Haynesworth on Seattle; however, I think he'll behave himself in 2013 before the real salary kicks in and then go off the deep end in 2014.

Harvin has never been happy and his bullshit won't stop just because he's in Seattle. He was an asshole to Urban Meyer, the bald coach he liked to throw 10 lb weights at and Leslie Frazier.

You had little credibility before and you have even less now. Obviously you don't know the difference between cap number and salary, not sure why I am having this conversation with you. You might want to get your shit straight or at least try and get on my level before you try and talk NFL with me.

http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/salari...9ers-salaries/

Way to cover your ass saying he will play well this year. I also enjoyed the excuses you made for Vernon Davis and Justin Smith. 6 catches over the last 6 games is well worth 8 million dollars. If playoff production mattered Anquan Boldin would still be in Baltimore. We also found out what kind of GM you are, you think Flacco deserves 120 million since you are so excited about playoff production. You also conveniently left out Vernons performance against Green Bay. The 49ers score 45 points and he has 1 reception, he definitely deserves 8 million dollars!

If your comebacks/logic on a sports message board are this bad, I can only imagine how shitty you are as a laywer.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

You had little credibility before and you have even less now. Obviously you don't know the difference between cap number and salary, not sure why I am having this conversation with you. You might want to get your shit straight or at least try and get on my level before you try and talk NFL with me.

http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/salari...9ers-salaries/

Way to cover your ass saying he will play well this year. I also enjoyed the excuses you made for Vernon Davis and Justin Smith. 6 catches over the last 6 games is well worth 8 million dollars. If playoff production mattered Anquan Boldin would still be in Baltimore. We also found out what kind of GM you are, you think Flacco deserves 120 million since you are so excited about playoff production. You also conveniently left out Vernons performance against Green Bay. The 49ers score 45 points and he has 1 reception, he definitely deserves 8 million dollars!

If your comebacks/logic on a sports message board are this bad, I can only imagine how shitty you are as a laywer.

Again, get your shit together:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/12/...49ers-all-time

If the best you can come up with are Frank Gore, Justin Smith and Vernon Davis's contracts then you've lost this argument. Period.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Again, get your shit together:

http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Na...=RB&Team=49ers

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Again, get your shit together:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-franc...rs/frank-gore/

[Color Me Badd Fan]

How about another link:

http://nbcbayarea.csnbayarea.com/blo...ning-next-year

[cougjunkie]

Those are sweet links, I love the first one that says "my sources are tellling me". Sounds like nobody knows Gores contract structure. Continue to ignore the other points and pick the one you think you can win at (which you still haven't done).

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Those are sweet links, I love the first one that says "my sources are tellling me". Sounds like nobody knows Gores contract structure. Continue to ignore the other points and pick the one you think you can win at (which you still haven't done).

Your link was pretty sweet too -- and wrong. And badly needs updating. It looks like your definitive source gets refreshed once every couple years or so. I was willing to forgive the inclusion of Alex Smith's salary on there, I believe yesterday was the first day the trade could become official. But good hell, Navarro Bowman was extended four months ago and they still haven't fixed that. You need a better source before you tangle yourself up any further, you look like a fool ... actually, screw it, please keep using "Sportcity."

Any more to the argument about how I "probably" thought the Joe Flacco contract was a great idea. Hypotheticals about what I "probably" think seem like a pretty solid tactic. Moran.

BTW, "Sportcity" aka "The Cite That Had The Link That Caused CJ To Get His Ass Kicked" actually used Spotrac as their source. And it looks like something went wrong with the copy and pasting. Spotrac is one of my "sweet" links. Please continue to look like Baghdad Bob on this point.

I'm actually not all that interested in the other points. I'd rather argue some more on Frank Gore's salary which seemed to be the lynchpin of your overall argument. You seem to have a pretty good handle on the finer points of his contract, let's just continue to focus on that.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Another sweet link:

http://ninercaphell.com/2013-salaries/

And once again get your shit straight.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

CJ: Frank Gore's $8 million cap figure which is actually $6.45 million is an albatross and proves my point that devoting 10% of a team's salary cap to a player that likes to throw 10 lb weights at his coach's head is a great idea.

Business Insider: Frank Gore's New Contract Is A Pretty Sweet Deal...For the 49ers.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-cap-big-money

[Surfah]

Crabtree tore his achilles. Could be out all year.