the best pitcher in baseball

[old_gregg]

or the best pitcher in baseball?



no discussion necessary, just pay homage

[cougjunkie]

Roy Halladay went to the Phillies not the Royals.

[MarkGrace]

That was not the answer I was expecting from CJ.

[cougjunkie]

That was not the answer I was expecting from CJ.

I love Lincecum don't get me wrong. But Roy has been so good for so long its hard to not consider him the best right now. Not to mention I just watched him pitch a gem today.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Roy Halladay went to the Phillies not the Royals.

How are we still arguing that Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball when Greinke's numbers are superior. Unless, you want to consider something before last year, it is Greinke hands down.

Greinke:
ERA+ 205
WHIP: 1.073
K: 242
K/BB ratio: 4.75
HR/9: .4
FIP: 2.33
VORP: 81.3
WARP: 9.2
EqERA: 2.29

Halladay
ERA+ 156
WHIP: 1.126
K: 208
K/BB ratio: 5.94
HR/9: .8
FIP: 3.06
VORP: 64.4
WARP: 7.1
EqERA: 3.05

Greinke is better in every stat but K/BB ratio. Plus, the difference are not accounted by BABIP as Greinke was .313 and Halladay was also .313. Greinke is the better pitcher and the best pitcher in baseball.

[DU Ute]

Greinke was the best last year.

Roy has been the best over the last few years.

If I had to pick one pitcher to build a team around going forward it would be Felix Hernandez. No one else is even close.

[San Juan Sun]

or the best pitcher in baseball?

This one's easy: Derek Lowe

[Jarid in Cedar]

This one's easy: Derek Lowe

Not Tommy Hanson?

[MartyFunkhouser]

Greinke was the best last year.

Roy has been the best over the last few years.

If I had to pick one pitcher to build a team around going forward it would be Felix Hernandez. No one else is even close.

I don't disagree with this post at all. Hernandez is a stud and the Mariners are lucky to have him. Unfortunately, Michel Ynoa was supposed to be the next Felix Hernandez but predictably (since he is an Oakland A) he has struggled with injuries.

[San Juan Sun]

Not Tommy Hanson?

I was kidding. Lowe is the 4th best starter on the Braves staff IMO. But for some reason, he's starting on Opening Day, and he's given up 3 runs so far. Good thing Zambrano has given up 8.

[cougjunkie]

Like I said Funk you obviously have reading comprehension issues. Halladay has been better for longer. Greinke has one good season under his belt. If he does it again then he will be in the argument. I still take Lincecum over Greinke because even he has done it longer.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Like I said Funk you obviously have reading comprehension issues. Halladay has been better for longer. Greinke has one good season under his belt. If he does it again then he will be in the argument. I still take Lincecum over Greinke because even he has done it longer.

I don't get the historical argument when you are talking about the best in the game right now. He doesn't need another good season to be in the argument, he has the best argument.

I could understand that argument if Greinke's peripherals pointed to a fluke season, but there are no indications that last year was a fluke. His BABIP wasn't fluke, he strikes out a lot of batters, doesn't give up home runs, and doesn't walk many batters. He is a better pitcher right now. If anything Halladay's past should work against him because he is in the phase of his career that you would expect a decline.

[cougjunkie]

I don't get the historical argument when you are talking about the best in the game right now. He doesn't need another good season to be in the argument, he has the best argument.

I could understand that argument if Greinke's peripherals pointed to a fluke season, but there are no indications that last year was a fluke. His BABIP wasn't fluke, he strikes out a lot of batters, doesn't give up home runs, and doesn't walk many batters. He is a better pitcher right now. If anything Halladay's past should work against him because he is in the phase of his career that you would expect a decline.

So please explain how Greinke has been in the big leagues since 2004 and he has never not once been close to the numbers he put up last year. His era was a full point lower than any of his previous best seasons, his HR/9 was .6 lower, his Whip was .3 lower, his K's per 9 was 1.2 higher. Everything points to an anomaly.

[Hot Lunch]

So please explain how Greinke has been in the big leagues since 2004 and he has never not once been close to the numbers he put up last year. His era was a full point lower than any of his previous best seasons, his HR/9 was .6 lower, his Whip was .3 lower, his K's per 9 was 1.2 higher. Everything points to an anomaly.

Why are you even arguing with him? There are certain things that are pointless to discuss with Funk. Most, if not all baseball topics are included in that list.

[MartyFunkhouser]

So please explain how Greinke has been in the big leagues since 2004 and he has never not once been close to the numbers he put up last year. His era was a full point lower than any of his previous best seasons, his HR/9 was .6 lower, his Whip was .3 lower, his K's per 9 was 1.2 higher. Everything points to an anomaly.

Because he is still only 26 years old. I could see arguing that his season was an anomaly if he had an unreasonably low BABIP, didn't strike out a lot of batters, gave up HRs, and had a ton of BB but still had good stats. However, every meaningful peripheral stat indicates last year was not a fluke at all.

He had some serious changes in the way he approached the game last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/sp...18pitcher.html