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  • Players don't make it in the NBA for a variety of reasons. Some guys aren't athletic enough for the league; others don't have the work ethic. A few of the traits are easy to see, but most are difficult to determine until it is too late.

    Here are 10 highly regarded players who could end up struggling to make a significant impact in the NBA.

    DeMarcus Cousins
    Cousins is the darling of the statistical evaluations. One concern I have with variations of PER is that it rewards players with high rebounding and high field goal percentage numbers that play limited minutes. On film, Cousins is an advanced offensive player; his post moves are more developed than a lot of current NBA centers. However, his attitude could counteract those positives. Too often, Cousins showed signs of immaturity that made him an unlikable player to watch at Kentucky. It is one thing to get into it with the opposition; it's another to challenge your coach. Cousins disappointed a lot of NBA people by saying that concerns about his behavior were media-driven. Plus his work ethic, conditioning and defensive commitment are all question marks at this point.

    Hassan Whiteside
    Whiteside has all the measurements you would want, just under 7 feet tall in shoes with a ridiculous 7-foot-7 wingspan, but can he play? His shot selection is terrible. Whiteside settles for a lot of long 2-point attempts and plays as if he has no interest in passing to anyone once he has the ball. His block totals are impressive -- 5.4 per game -- but he floats on too many possessions. Whiteside will have to work much harder around screens to be an effective team defender in the NBA.

    Lance Stephenson
    One of the most hyped players coming out of New York City, Stephenson has a lot of name recognition. But his first season at Cincinnati was inconsistent. Stephenson is in love with his dribble. He will try to break down his defender one-on-one, constantly ignoring his teammates. He is not effective off the ball and shows little interest when he isn't involved. Stephenson has loose shot mechanics and made just 22 percent of his 3-point attempts. He has used his strength to get by at lower levels, but I'm not sure he is athletic enough to play SG or SF in the NBA.

    Daniel Orton
    It is always a challenge evaluating a potential lottery pick that only played 13 minutes per game, but Orton sure seems like an inconsistent player. Granted, he is huge, moves well and is good around the basket, but when he gets caught in traffic with the ball, the possession doesn't end well. On film, I find myself wondering what he was thinking with some passes, and I rarely have an answer. Orton gets frustrated too easily and can take himself out of games. He is a good team defender, shows on screens, closes out on the perimeter and holds position well, but he goes for a lot of fakes and he needs to cut down on his fouls.

    Gordon Hayward
    This is difficult, because there are so many things that I like about Hayward's game. He is tough, finds the ball, has a good handle, makes the right decision and looks like a great teammate. But who is he going to guard? Hayward will be matched up against the best big athletes in the world, and they will simply post him up until he gets stronger. Perhaps the biggest question is his shooting. He converted only 29 percent of his 3s last year after hitting 45 percent his freshman season. If he doesn't improve his long-range jumper, it will be hard to find a role for the potential top-10 pick.

    Terrico White
    White can score, but if you are drafting him as a point guard, you aren't getting one. This is a weak draft at that position and teams will reach for players they think can become PGs, which is usually a mistake. As a shooting guard, White will spot up for jumpers and attack the rim, but when he had to play the point two seasons ago, he still looked like a one-dimensional scorer. White reminds me of Tyreke Evans, but not in a good way. The likeness lies in endless drives to the basket that don't involve anyone else.

    Paul George
    George has been getting a lot of buzz, projecting as a 6-9 shooting guard. But against poor competition, George was invisible during stretches this season. He's inconsistent with his decision making. In transition he is impressive, but in the half court he takes a lot of bad shots and gets into trouble with some questionable drives. If a team takes him in the lottery, it will be passing on better players.

    Ed Davis
    Davis has great shooting and rebounding numbers, but when you watch him, you end up expecting more than he actually delivers. His lack of strength means the rebounding numbers won't translate and getting post position is going to be a struggle. Davis is not the kind of athlete that is just going to get his buckets by cleaning up. Davis is too raw to go in the top seven picks.

    Stanley Robinson
    Last year, one lottery team told me they were thinking of taking Robinson if he stayed in the draft, but this year his stock has fallen. Robinson is an athletic small forward and is great around the rim, but he can't dribble and his 3-point shot isn't nearly as good as advertised. In the right system he could be a role player, but he will never be a consistent scoring threat.

    Willie Warren
    Warren has a chance to go in the first round based on his ability to get to the rim. This past season was a disaster though. His shooting was terrible and the team fell apart with him as the leader. Ask any scout, and you'll hear horror stories about Warren's immaturity and lack of commitment. If Warren doesn't grow up, he will be a waste of a pick.
    [ame="http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=5278775"]NBA Draft 2010: DeMarcus Cousins among biggest potential draft busts - ESPN[/ame]
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    • Originally posted by BGRTHNUMEGO View Post
      Malone listed as having 5th best NBA Finals (Game 5 in '98) since 1977 by Hollinger:

      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...dividual-intro

      I think he unnecessarily devalued games in which a player's team lost. There were some great individual performances that he left off, penalizing the star possibly for the failings of his inferior teammates.

      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...e-Individual-5

      He was also listed at #34 for Game 3 in '97.

      Jordan was listed 11 times: 1, 4, 8, 10, 11, 15, 18, 27, 37, 42, 44.

      Shaq - 6 (14, 16, 17, 22, 30, 50) - surprised he didn't have one higher

      Magic - 5 (2, 29, 36, 38, 39)

      Duncan - 3 (6, 32, 35)

      Kareem - 3 (12, 31, 48)

      Wade - 2 (9, 19)

      Bryant - 2 (13, 49)

      Bird - 2 (23, 47)

      With 1 game: Worthy (3), Thomas (7), Hakeem (20), Manu (21) Walton (24), C. Maxwell (25), Iverson (26), Dantley (28), Ben Wallace (33), M. Malone (40), Pippen (41), KG (43), Kemp (46)

      Big names missing: Erving, McHale, Stockton, Dumars
      That list was bullshit when he didn't put Magic at #1. And I am surprised given the way he weighted things that Kobe's game 4 in 2000 didn't make it. That was the game Shaq fouled out and Kobe took over in OT to win it.
      "Nobody listens to Turtle."
      -Turtle
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      • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
        Thanks, Booner. Like you, I'd put the chances at 100% that one of those 9 guys is available at 9. WFCTJ.
        Don't hate. Appreciate. I'm glad you could enjoy the Booner-like comment.

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        • Originally posted by Surfah View Post
          That list was bullshit when he didn't put Magic at #1. And I am surprised given the way he weighted things that Kobe's game 4 in 2000 didn't make it. That was the game Shaq fouled out and Kobe took over in OT to win it.
          Magic's game was impressive. But there are few performances in all of sports, not just basketball, but all of sports, that rival the Jordan flu game.



          That game made you hate Jordan, but respect him as a competitor. Bringing the Bulls back from 16 down, and scoring 15 points in the 4th quarter. 38 points when you can barely walk against a damn good team is impressive. Taking nothing away from Magic, but the flu game was one of Jordan's best moments.

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          • Favors graded out as the far better athlete, but the Kings, who have the No. 5 pick in the draft, believed Cousins was a more advanced player. He showed Sacramento officials more range than they thought he had, consistently hitting the 17-foot jumper. The Kings are considering several players, but Cousins could be difficult to pass over.

            Sources say the Kings are also still open to trade possibilities, and Detroit and Utah are two teams eager to move up in the draft. The Pistons’ Tayshaun Prince(notes) could be intriguing to the Kings, who are eager to add a veteran small forward to the roster.
            http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...scousins061310

            According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports: "John Grieg, the agent for [DeMarcus] Cousins, won't send his client to workout for the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources say, because he believes the Wolves have decided to draft Syracuse small forward Wesley Johnson."

            Joanthan Givony of Draft Express sees the situation similarly: "Hearing Cousins won't work out in Minnesota. Apparently they have their mind made up on Wes Johnson. Jives with everything else we're hearing."
            http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors#16666

            So a little rumor that the Jazz are trying to move up, and if Minny does in fact want Johnson, that sets the first four leaving Cousins at #5. Do the Jazz want Cousins? It would certainly be a risk, but Jazz fans are always clamoring for them to take more.
            So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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            • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
              http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...scousins061310


              http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors#16666

              So a little rumor that the Jazz are trying to move up, and if Minny does in fact want Johnson, that sets the first four leaving Cousins at #5. Do the Jazz want Cousins? It would certainly be a risk, but Jazz fans are always clamoring for them to take more.
              If they are trying to move to 5, I'm worried that they are trying to move up to take Monroe. I wouldn't be pissed about Monroe at 9 (although I wouldn't be happy either), but I can't imagine trading up and taking him over Cousins. I just don't see the Jazz - the same organization I've been following closely for 30 years - moving up and taking a guy like Cousins.
              I'm like LeBron James.
              -mpfunk

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              • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                If they are trying to move to 5, I'm worried that they are trying to move up to take Monroe. I wouldn't be pissed about Monroe at 9 (although I wouldn't be happy either), but I can't imagine trading up and taking him over Cousins. I just don't see the Jazz - the same organization I've been following closely for 30 years - moving up and taking a guy like Cousins.
                My gut says they would move up for Monroe.

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                • I get the same feeling. Monroe at #5 would not make me too happy.

                  Someone on another Jazz board has said Monroe will not work out for teams below 9 because the Jazz will take him if he's there.
                  So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                  • Despite the concerns surrounding Cousins, I just can't see him falling out of the top 5. He's too good and talented.

                    But after that 5, this draft is going to be interesting to watch unfold. It seems like there are at least a half dozen players that could legitimately go #6.
                    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                    • Can someone convince me who I should want the Jazz to take at #9 if they end up staying there?

                      I assume it is just because I'm just not used to Utah drafting this high, but there is a big group of guys that when I consider them as potential picks I think, "Yeah, I'd be okay with that." None that blow me away, but several that would have me finishing the draft feeling like the Jazz got better. Because of that group lumped together I of course look at them and think that trading down would work out okay because I can't see it being worth staying at 9 to make sure one guy is picked instead of maybe moving down to 12 and picking up another asset (or having Memphis take off the protection of the pick they owe the Jazz).

                      Some of that is likely also due to the unsettled nature of the roster heading into the summer. But I feel like I could easily justify the picking of Henry or Monroe or Aldrich or Udoh or a few others.

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                      • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                        Despite the concerns surrounding Cousins, I just can't see him falling out of the top 5. He's too good and talented.

                        But after that 5, this draft is going to be interesting to watch unfold. It seems like there are at least a half dozen players that could legitimately go #6.
                        Agreed. This why I don't like the so-called "BPA" philosophy here. Among those 6 or 7 guys, it's a complete crapshoot - nobody knows who the best player is, so you might as well draft for need and hope that guy is the best player available.
                        I'm like LeBron James.
                        -mpfunk

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                        • I just made a similar post in SMR's CB thread.

                          There are several guys I'd be satisfied with, but none that I'd be thrilled by. Monroe, Aldrich, and Udoh I like to varying degrees. After that probably Henry, and I'm warming up to Babbitt. Davis, Hayward and George all scare me. Aminu I'm not sold on, but apparently the Jazz were impressed.
                          So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                          • Originally posted by BGRTHNUMEGO View Post
                            Can someone convince me who I should want the Jazz to take at #9 if they end up staying there?
                            The guys I'm liking right now and in no certain order are...Udoh, Henry, Babbitt, Davis, Patterson, Aldrich and Bradley. I think I'd rather them take a risk on a guy who could be a complete bust - Whiteside or George - than either Monroe or Aminu.
                            Last edited by smokymountainrain; 06-14-2010, 10:47 AM.
                            I'm like LeBron James.
                            -mpfunk

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                            • Patterson I just don't see a need for (though he very well could be BPA at 9). Bradley I don't really see working in Utah.
                              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                              • Aminu is one guy that I look at in terms of Jazz needs and think, "Meh. Much rather go almost any other direction." But if he falls to 9, you've got to believe he's the type of player that can wow teams enough in workouts that someone would want to move up and get him if he falls that far.

                                I obviously like Monroe more than SMR does. I'd much rather take him at 9 than Patterson or Bradley. I'm still torn on Davis. I hate some of the quotes he's had since leaving UNC that make me think he believes he's a totally different player than he really is. If I knew he was entering the league with the mentality to be Theo Ratliff until he could possibly work on his offense I'd feel much better about him. But I fear instead he's going to try to be the pigmented version of what people thought Darko would be.

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