"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm not really thrilled about this decision by Ainge.

This was Quinn's decision. They tried to talk him out of it.

[Eddie]

I'm not really thrilled about this decision by Ainge.

I agree with not hiring a retread. I'm not sure if it is based on actual knowledge or just lazy speculation but talk of Alex Jensen or Johnnie Bryant is already started. I think Johnnie Bryant's benefit is his relationship with Donovan.

I thought it was Quinn's decision? Reports I read were that the Jazz had an extension for Quinn, but he is the one who decided not to continue. Is that wrong?

[MartyFunkhouser]

so there was some jazz news over the weekend.

just don't hire some old nba retread who is a proven loser. go with a current assistant (charles lee, will hardy or kenny atkinson) or throw money at an elite college coach - somebody like jay wright or scott drew.

I'm not really thrilled about this decision by Ainge.

I agree with not hiring a retread. I'm not sure if it is based on actual knowledge or just lazy speculation but talk of Alex Jensen or Johnnie Bryant is already started. I think Johnnie Bryant's benefit is his relationship with Donovan.

[smokymountainrain]

so there was some jazz news over the weekend.

just don't hire some old nba retread who is a proven loser. go with a current assistant (charles lee, will hardy or kenny atkinson) or throw money at an elite college coach - somebody like jay wright or scott drew.

[Commando]

Ha. Is that dude even in the league anymore?

Last I heard, he wanted a 'change in scenery' from Charlotte.

[Donuthole]

It’s official. I’m out on Conley. For whatever reason, this just isn’t working.

Bump

[falafel]

It all comes back to Gordon Hayward, doesn't it?

Ha. Is that dude even in the league anymore?

[Applejack]

lol. Every single one of Utah's marquee players in the past have been the product of a Utah draft pick, with the exception of Carlos Boozer. Blowing it up is a really dumb idea if you're not in a major market that attracts free agents like say L.A., Boston, or NY. Mike Conley, personality-wise, is a different kind of cat, demonstratively, or he woulda been outta here last year, too. We have some really good pieces, but, LIKE L.A. and Brooklyn, lack some chemistry. We have no 'glue' guys outside of Conley and Clarkson. Ricky Rubio and Joe Ingles had this team overperforming for how talented those teams were. This team is way more talented-- we just have no chemistry. We can let that marinate and develop naturally or we can attempt to bring in some vets/ glue guys. It's very tempting to just throw up your hands in frustration, but this team is doing a lot of good things and remains competitive for all the mental lapses and bone headed mistakes we see.

My fear is that if we 'blow up' this team, we are looking at a real scorched earth situation where we may not be good enough to make the playoffs for 5-10 years.

Yes, and we have wasted all of our draft picks on trades for players to help us compete right now. I don't think this team (with a core of Conley, Mitchell, Gobert) is ever going to be more than first round hard-fought loser or occasional second round sacrificial lamb. They just are not good enough. The playoffs the last five years have demonstrated that the team is not built to win in the postseason.

Now I love mitchell, I really love Gobert, and I used to love Conley, but at some point you have to look at what you ceiling is and if it's not high enough you have to move when the players still have value (note: Conley does not). I think that you could get a load of draft picks or nice young players for Mitchell, some good pieces for Gobert, and a NFT for Conley...but if they wait a few years, and it doesn't work, you are left with Mitchell leaving for NY, Gobert leaving for Golden State, Clarkson leaving for a paycheck, and Conley still on the team for a dozen more years. If you are worried about how the Jazz can build a team w/o draft picks, that should be your worst nightmare.

[Commando]

I think its the same issue that any team that wants to be a contender has. The jazz need a serious 3rd player. Clarkson isn't it. Mountain Mike isn't it. Bojan isn't it.

It all comes back to Gordon Hayward, doesn't it?

[Commando]

I think the Jazz' real problem is that they don't have a #1; at least a #1 good enough to be the #1 player on a champion.

Let's let Danny do what Danny does best; blow it up!

lol. Every single one of Utah's marquee players in the past have been the product of a Utah draft pick, with the exception of Carlos Boozer. Blowing it up is a really dumb idea if you're not in a major market that attracts free agents like say L.A., Boston, or NY. Mike Conley, personality-wise, is a different kind of cat, demonstratively, or he woulda been outta here last year, too. We have some really good pieces, but, LIKE L.A. and Brooklyn, lack some chemistry. We have no 'glue' guys outside of Conley and Clarkson. Ricky Rubio and Joe Ingles had this team overperforming for how talented those teams were. This team is way more talented-- we just have no chemistry. We can let that marinate and develop naturally or we can attempt to bring in some vets/ glue guys. It's very tempting to just throw up your hands in frustration, but this team is doing a lot of good things and remains competitive for all the mental lapses and bone headed mistakes we see.

My fear is that if we 'blow up' this team, we are looking at a real scorched earth situation where we may not be good enough to make the playoffs for 5-10 years.

[Applejack]

I think its the same issue that any team that wants to be a contender has. The jazz need a serious 3rd player. Clarkson isn't it. Mountain Mike isn't it. Bojan isn't it.

I think the Jazz' real problem is that they don't have a #1; at least a #1 good enough to be the #1 player on a champion.

Let's let Danny do what Danny does best; blow it up!

[falafel]

I don't think so. He is such a dynamic ball handler- if he added any sort of assist game to his arsenal he would be deadly. He is several years from his prime, but I grant you he had a crappy season for whatever reason.

I think its the same issue that any team that wants to be a contender has. The jazz need a serious 3rd player. Clarkson isn't it. Mountain Mike isn't it. Bojan isn't it.

[Commando]

The Jazz need to find the right time to sell high on Mitchell. Although, that time may have passed already and it may just be get as much possible for him. Mitchell will have stretches where he looks incredible, but he can't sustain it for long stretches. We have seen his ceiling.

I don't think so. He is such a dynamic ball handler- if he added any sort of assist game to his arsenal he would be deadly. He is several years from his prime, but I grant you he had a crappy season for whatever reason.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Donovan is a really inefficient scorer (average to slightly below average for the league) and a poor defender. It's unfortunate, but I haven't seen any signs that is going to change, and certainly not under this current system.

The Jazz need to find the right time to sell high on Mitchell. Although, that time may have passed already and it may just be get as much possible for him. Mitchell will have stretches where he looks incredible, but he can't sustain it for long stretches. We have seen his ceiling.

[Applejack]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Gobert really seems to struggle whenever I watch games and I assume it’s that way in every game. He’s a great rim protector, but he’s incredibly average at rebounding for being so tall. His reaction time is slow to the ball off the rim and he has no chance at guarding someone at the three point line (not that he’s expected to do that much but teams pull him out there because he can’t handle it). I like the guy, but I’m not sure it take him over a bunch of other centers, most of whom can actually shoot from outside.

Donovan seems to have regressed from last year. The Jazz are lucky to have Clarkson since he can at least score at will of needed.

Such a weird post. Let me guess: game five was the first Jazz game you watched this year.

- gobert struggles to rebound?
- No chance of guarding the three point line? Rudy’s a big and bigs always struggld guarding the Stephs of the nba, but Rudy is a great on ball defender for a big man; he has really improved this part of his game.
- clarkson was great last game, but had a clunker of a season.

you should stick to the lakers.