Official Seattle Ute Deposition Thread

[jay santos]

I'm still waiting for Jimmer to be given the toughest defensive assignment for a top-ranked opponent. Has that happened yet?

Wow. You seriously haven't given up this silly notion that Andre Miller was a better college player than Jimmer?

Did Andre Miller ever win a tournament game when he was on the court together with James Anderson, Logan Magnusson, Stephen Rogers, and Kyle Collinsworth?

Wrap your head around that for a minute. James Anderson, Logan Magnusson, Stephen Rogers, and Kyle Collinsworth all on the court TOGETHER. Trade out an average point guard for Jimmer and that might be the worst team in MWC history. And Jimmer extends the lead in an NCAA THIRD ROUND game.

[LA Ute]

Wow. You seriously haven't given up this silly notion that Andre Miller was a better college player than Jimmer?

Did Andre Miller ever win a tournament game when he was on the court together with James Anderson, Logan Magnusson, Stephen Rogers, and Kyle Collinsworth?

Wrap your head around that for a minute. James Anderson, Logan Magnusson, Stephen Rogers, and Kyle Collinsworth all on the court TOGETHER. Trade out an average point guard for Jimmer and that might be the worst team in MWC history. And Jimmer extends the lead in an NCAA THIRD ROUND game.

Jimmer's a phenomenal college player. I love watching him on offense. I just think it's early to pronounce him better than Miller as if that were beyond any doubt whatsoever. IMO, Jimmer is such a gifted athlete that he could be a terrific defender if he were asked to be one. My guess is that Rose isn't asking that of him. Also, BYU plays a zone (and it's a pretty impressive zone) so that reduces the opportunities for a defender to shine.

So don't get me wrong, I am a Jimmer admirer. But I don't get why it is so important for no one to question whether he is better than a guy who last played college hoops 12 years ago under vastly different circumstances. Can't they both be great?

[Viking]

Jimmer's a phenomenal college player. I love watching him on offense. I just think it's early to pronounce him better than Miller as if that were beyond any doubt whatsoever. IMO, Jimmer is such a gifted athlete that he could be a terrific defender if he were asked to be one. My guess is that Rose isn't asking that of him. Also, BYU plays a zone (and it's a pretty impressive zone) so that reduces the opportunities for a defender to shine.

So don't get me wrong, I am a Jimmer admirer. But I don't get why it is so important for no one to question whether he is better than a guy who last played college hoops 12 years ago under vastly different circumstances. Can't they both be great?

Really, LA UTe?

I really can't stand UoU football and your treacherous coach but UofU basketball under Majerus was something I always found myself cheering for. I knew the Reid boys very well and just couldn't bring myself to cheer for BYU basketball in that era.

I frankly loved Utah basketball.

There is simply no question Jimmer is a better ball player than Miller.

[LA Ute]

Really, LA UTe?

I really can't stand UoU football and your treacherous coach but UofU basketball under Majerus was something I always found myself cheering for. I knew the Reid boys very well and just couldn't bring myself to cheer for BYU basketball in that era.

I frankly loved Utah basketball.

There is simply no question Jimmer is a better ball player than Miller.

Sure, what fun would there be in sports fanhood if we couldn't argue about who is better?

BTW, do you guys think Jimmer is better than Ainge was in college?

[TripletDaddy]

Do we need separate deposition threads for Funk and IPU with their years and years and years of bullshit BYU/Rose will never win in the tournament.

Mod's please let this stay because I say this in the most endearing way possible.

F*** off Funk! F*** off IPU! We're in the Sweet 16!!

In fairness to The Funkster, there are a handful of Utah posters that are always here, win or lose. Mpfunk is one of them. 8ball, BoylenOver as well. Some of our most prolific ute fans disappear entirely when the Utes are doing poorly or when BYU is doing well.

[TripletDaddy]

Sure, what fun would there be in sports fanhood if we couldn't argue about who is better?

BTW, do you guys think Jimmer is better than Ainge was in college?

Ainge as an overall athlete, clearly no way. Jimmer has no pro baseball career in his future as well as an NBA career.

Ainge as a basketball player, probably not. Ainge was an all time scorer and defender.

[Flystripper]

Sure, what fun would there be in sports fanhood if we couldn't argue about who is better?

BTW, do you guys think Jimmer is better than Ainge was in college?

Most of us do...yes

[old_gregg]

I'm still waiting for Jimmer to be given the toughest defensive assignment for a top-ranked opponent. Has that happened yet?

why would jimmer need to take the toughest defensive assignment when we have the conference dpoy? the fact that anyone is still entertaining the argument that jimmer is somehow inferior to a guy that averaged less than 16-6 in his senior campaign is great. keep up the faith, la!

[jay santos]

Jimmer's a phenomenal college player. I love watching him on offense. I just think it's early to pronounce him better than Miller as if that were beyond any doubt whatsoever. IMO, Jimmer is such a gifted athlete that he could be a terrific defender if he were asked to be one. My guess is that Rose isn't asking that of him. Also, BYU plays a zone (and it's a pretty impressive zone) so that reduces the opportunities for a defender to shine.

So don't get me wrong, I am a Jimmer admirer. But I don't get why it is so important for no one to question whether he is better than a guy who last played college hoops 12 years ago under vastly different circumstances. Can't they both be great?

Just let it go. Andre was a good point guard that led teams loaded with talent to top 10 rankings behind one of the mastermind X's and O's guys the college game has seen. Jimmer is a once a generation kind of offensive superstar carrying marginal talent to a top 10 ranking. The Andre-Jimmer argument is becoming more and more embarrassing for you guys.

P.S. BYU has played zone less than 20% of this season.

[LiveCoug]

Jimmer's a phenomenal college player. I love watching him on offense. I just think it's early to pronounce him better than Miller as if that were beyond any doubt whatsoever. IMO, Jimmer is such a gifted athlete that he could be a terrific defender if he were asked to be one. My guess is that Rose isn't asking that of him. Also, BYU plays a zone (and it's a pretty impressive zone) so that reduces the opportunities for a defender to shine.

So don't get me wrong, I am a Jimmer admirer. But I don't get why it is so important for no one to question whether he is better than a guy who last played college hoops 12 years ago under vastly different circumstances. Can't they both be great?

Too early? Jimmer is a senior with only 4 games left in his career. Definitely not too early to proclaim that Jimmer is better than Miller. He has already proven that.

[SeattleUte]

Utah's incredible wins over Arkansas, Arizona and NC were mostly because of Andre taking over every aspect of games, including defense. He alone annihilated Arkansas' "40 minutes of hell". In all three games he'd repeatedly rebound defensively and go end to end, scoring or creating points. The guy was incredibly strong physically as well as a great basket ball player. He was more Magic Johnson whereas Jimmer is more Gail Goodrich, but personally I think a guard like Andre would be a perfect antedote for Jimmer.

My personal theory is that the 1999 team was better until Andre suffered a nasty fall in the WAC tournament against UTEP and put the brakes on his abandon.

Yes, Andre had more help. But unless BYU makes the Final Four this year it will not have played anything close to the great teams that Andre almost singlehandedly beat.

I also doubt that Jimmer will be picked as high in the NBA draft as Andre was (8th overall). So unless I'm wrong, NBA execs disagree with Viking.

Santos' Jimmer was a better college basketball player was more defensible than Viking's Jimmer is "simply a better ball player than Andre."

Finally, will Jimmer have 12 NBA seasons of double figures scoring and 6+ assists?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

And Jimmer extends the lead in an NCAA THIRD ROUND game.

Jimmer just won a third round game according to the NCAA. Thursday will be a FOURTH ROUND game, I don't make the rules.

[LA Ute]

Too early? Jimmer is a senior with only 4 games left in his career. Definitely not too early to proclaim that Jimmer is better than Miller. He has already proven that.

Something tells me we are not going to agree. As you can see, I am still figuring out what I think about all this. Now, it seems to me that Ainge had that special ability to make the entire team better (and I of course hated Ainge in college, but now am a huge admirer). Miller was like that too. I guess Jimmer just carries the whole team, and that is something truly unique and special. Neither Ainge nor Miller was really ever asked to do that. So maybe Jimmer's not comparable to Ainge (or Miller). I will agree that Jimmer is a once-in-a-generation player who is such a force on the court that he carries his entire team to wins. I still love Andre.

[old_gregg]

Something tells me we are not going to agree. As you can see, I am still figuring out what I think about all this. Now, it seems to me that Ainge had that special ability to make the entire team better (and I of course hated Ainge in college, but now am a huge admirer). Miller was like that too. I guess Jimmer just carries the whole team, and that is something truly unique and special. Neither Ainge nor Miller was really ever asked to do that. So maybe Jimmer's not comparable to Ainge (or Miller). I will agree that Jimmer is a once-in-a-generation player who is such a force on the court that he carries his entire team to wins. I still love Andre.

andre miller making his team better translated into averaging less than one more apg than jimmer during their senior seasons.

[LiveCoug]

Something tells me we are not going to agree. As you can see, I am still figuring out what I think about all this. Now, it seems to me that Ainge had that special ability to make the entire team better (and I of course hated Ainge in college, but now am a huge admirer). Miller was like that too. I guess Jimmer just carries the whole team, and that is something truly unique and special. Neither Ainge nor Miller was really ever asked to do that. So maybe Jimmer's not comparable to Ainge (or Miller). I will agree that Jimmer is a once-in-a-generation player who is such a force on the court that he carries his entire team to wins. I still love Andre.

You've only seen Jimmer play once. LOL...