Official Utah basketball coach candidates thread.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I disagree to the extent you are saying LK can't recruit. i don't think a coach can get PAC-12 level recruits simply by being a good salesman. You've got to have a credible program that is attractive, and LK hasn't had that yet. Even so, there's evidence he can sell. Loveridge was a huge get that amazed and impressed everyone, because there was no reason for Jordan to come to Utah. Gottfried's selling a much different product than LK is, so the comparison is not apples to apples. Not even close.

Gottfried is selling a program that is 3rd fiddle at best in the state of North Carolina. He is competing directly against Duke and UNC and still pulling in great recruits. Gottfried would have immediately got Pac-12 level recruits at Utah. He has been a great recruiter everywhere he has coached.

[LA Ute]

Gottfried is selling a program that is 3rd fiddle at best in the state of North Carolina. He is competing directly against Duke and UNC and still pulling in great recruits. Gottfried would have immediately got Pac-12 level recruits at Utah. He has been a great recruiter everywhere he has coached.

I'll assume you're right (but don't think you are). Why do you think Utah could have gotten Gottfried to come?

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'll assume you're right (but don't think you are). Why do you think Utah could have gotten Gottfried to come?

Lots of reports from credible sources that he was very interested in the job. If we acted fast and got him an offer, I think we get him.

[Surfah]

If I were Krysko I'd position myself as New Mexico or UNLV in regards to recruiting.

[LA Ute]

Lots of reports from credible sources that he was very interested in the job. If we acted fast and got him an offer, I think we get him.

There may be something to this. I do know that if Utah had acted quickly and made the right offer, they could have had me as AD.

If I were Krysko I'd position myself as New Mexico or UNLV in regards to recruiting.

Fortunately you are not Krysko. I see you more as Tony Ingle.

[Surfah]

There may be something to this. I do know that if Utah had acted quickly and made the right offer, they could have had me as AD.



Fortunately you are not Krysko. I see you more as Tony Ingle.

Tony Ingle won a DII National Championship after BYU.

Anyway, I don't see what is wrong with positioning yourself like UNLV and New Mexico have with regards to recruiting. It's a way to infuse more talent than you're going to scrape in-state against BYU.

[Goatnapper'96]

Fortunately you are not Krysko. I see you more as Tony Ingle.

Isn't your best player a transfer from a WCC school? Accepting transfers is a way of infusing talent immediately in order to present a compelling case to high caliber talented high schoolers.

[Top Ute]

After the two Arizona games I said it was back. By that I meant they are playing good D1 level basketball again, the intelligent kind we haven't seen since 2004. I think even you might grudgingly admit that. I did not see the USC blowout coming, and neither did you, although I suspect you take some grim satisfaction from it. Really, the way people like you and Mr. Crimson have been clinging to your anger over the Boylen firing and the LK hiring is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen among people with a prior history of being staunch Utah fans.

Honestly LA, give it up. You didn't get a single thing right about this post, save for blithely acknowledging my past as it pertains to the Utes, which has been fixed.

Hoyo's Revenge @HoyosRevenge
Can we all agree we should damn well kick USC's ass on Saturday.

@100ThingsUtah
@HoyosRevenge no guarantees. We were their only league win last year

The sure sign of one who has lost the argument is to pull out the disloyalty card. Another sign is to put words in one's mouth. I have freely admitted we're playing better ball. I also freely admit that playing better ball without the requisite uptick in W-L is just spinning one's wheels.

I was never angry over the Boylen firing. In fact, I've hammered Larry and Jimmy equally alike for similar wrongs and faults. I did warn about the possible consequences of firing Jimmy a year too early, but my history is rock solid when it comes to Jimmy's job status. Hell, I identified the warning signs in Year 1. At the same time, I don't have to make shit up about Jimmy to make Larry look better than he really is.

What's really funny is trying to put me and Mr. C. in the same camp on ALL matters regarding basketball -- he was the genesis for my coining of the term "Boylen Apologists." We couldn't have been more opposite on how Jimmy should be viewed. That our loyalty is questioned because we're of like mind on the current state of the basketball program is the desperate wail of a feeble mind who can't acknowledge either facts or come up with a better argument.

[SeattleUte]

I coined Boylen apologist and I was actually referring to Hoyo as one of the primary Boylen apologists. He seems pathologically to get involved with the coaches postitively or negatively on a very personal level. I once did some amateur pop psychology on him conerning this tendency and he threatened to do me bodily harm. I don't care if I never see him in print again. I'd prefer that, so please don't quote him here.

[LA Ute]

Isn't your best player a transfer from a WCC school? Accepting transfers is a way of infusing talent immediately in order to present a compelling case to high caliber talented high schoolers.

I was just teasing Surfah.

[SeattleUte]

Lots of reports from credible sources that he was very interested in the job. If we acted fast and got him an offer, I think we get him.

Clearly Chris Hill is not interested in hiring celebrity coaches with huge egos.

[LA Ute]

Honestly LA, give it up. You didn't get a single thing right about this post, save for blithely acknowledging my past as it pertains to the Utes, which has been fixed.



The sure sign of one who has lost the argument is to pull out the disloyalty card. Another sign is to put words in one's mouth. I have freely admitted we're playing better ball. I also freely admit that playing better ball without the requisite uptick in W-L is just spinning one's wheels.

I was never angry over the Boylen firing. In fact, I've hammered Larry and Jimmy equally alike for similar wrongs and faults. I did warn about the possible consequences of firing Jimmy a year too early, but my history is rock solid when it comes to Jimmy's job status. Hell, I identified the warning signs in Year 1. At the same time, I don't have to make shit up about Jimmy to make Larry look better than he really is.

What's really funny is trying to put me and Mr. C. in the same camp on ALL matters regarding basketball -- he was the genesis for my coining of the term "Boylen Apologists." We couldn't have been more opposite on how Jimmy should be viewed. That our loyalty is questioned because we're of like mind on the current state of the basketball program is the desperate wail of a feeble mind who can't acknowledge either facts or come up with a better argument.

I honestly haven't followed you and Crimson closely so I apologize for lumping you in with him. I do think you are absurdly hard on LK, to the point that your credibility suffers. Speaking of the behavior of people losing arguments, no one's called you any names.

Love,

One of Larry's Lapdogs

[Top Ute]

Clearly Chris Hill is not interested in hiring celebrity coaches with huge egos.

Find me a celebrity coach who doesn't have a huge ego. Basketball, for better and for worse, is a sport where the diva rules. What separates great divas from lesser mortals, be it player or coach, is the ability to get people of lesser ability to believe they matter and to accept their role.

We can pretend that ego-less coaches and players are universally a good thing but let's not pretend they can consistently satisfy fan demands. Its welcome to see you insist that talent reigns above all. The more you have to rely on Xs and Os to attain those objectives, the more certain it is that said coach will fail.

And Xs and Os is a ground I've rarely tread upon when discussing coaches -- the mere fact that all of our previous coaches made it this far in their careers is stone cold proof they know what they're doing on the dry erase board.

If Hill truly isn't interested in a coach because he believes he will be difficult to work with, past winning history be damned, then he needs to be working somewhere where the stakes are not nearly as high. Like Ron McBride could only take Utah football so far, perhaps Hill simply isn't cut out for the demands of running a high major athletic program.

[LA Ute]

If Hill truly isn't interested in a coach because he believes he will be difficult to work with, past winning history be damned, then he needs to be working somewhere where the stakes are not nearly as high.

Hill's retiring in 2-3 years anyway so his job tenure is set. I don't know what he really thinks, but there's no evidence that Hill wants pushovers as head coaches. KW is no pushover. That said, I am pretty sure Hill will be glad not to have a head coach who publicly interviews for a new job every year, or who takes a season off to care for a sick relative (assuming Krysko is not like that).

[MartyFunkhouser]

Clearly Chris Hill is not interested in hiring celebrity coaches with huge egos.

Which is a huge reason why Chris Hill needs to go. He needs to stop caring about finding a diamond in the rough and hire the best guy for the job.