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    Utah's next coach

    The more I see and hear about Boylen's Utes the more I'm convinced that he doesn't have what it takes to develop any kind of offensive game for his team. I don't think he will turn things around at Utah, and I believe that within a season or two Dr. Chris Hill will be out looking for a new coach. Again.

    Who do you Ute fans think is on the short list? I keep reading Ute fans talk about Dave Rose, and there are more than a few that think it a foregone conclusion that Rose would very interested in a move to Utah. I'm sorry, but I don't see it. Yes, the new conference affiliation might be attractive, but when it comes to the coaching discussion, these same fans forget what they spend most post-game evenings talking about - the abysmal state of the overall program. Attendance, marketing, support, etc.

    You won't see Dave Rose out begging for people to come to the games. Rose has a good thing going at BYU, and I don't see him deciding to leave for a job at Utah.
    "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV
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    My biggest thing is that whoever it is needs to have previous head coaching experience.

    Neither Giacoletti nor Boylen had been The Man before. It is nice to take a flyer on a guy, but only once has Hill hired a guy with no head coaching experience before who had success, and that guy is Whittingham, someone who had been with the program for 95 years* before he was finally hired.


    *Coaching years are like dog years

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    • #3
      If the Utes hired Dave Rose, I would be absolutely thrilled but I agree he might not take the job. However, he would certainly listen to the offer because it is a huge upgrade from the WCC to the Pac-12. Also, his program was almost sacrificed for the football program (going to the WAC), so he has to wonder about his place at the university. If I was a betting man though, I would bet on him turning the Utes down.

      Before the Pac-12 move, I wanted Tommy Connor but I don't think that is an option anymore.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
        If the Utes hired Dave Rose, I would be absolutely thrilled but I agree he might not take the job. However, he would certainly listen to the offer because it is a huge upgrade from the WCC to the Pac-12. Also, his program was almost sacrificed for the football program (going to the WAC), so he has to wonder about his place at the university. If I was a betting man though, I would bet on him turning the Utes down.

        Before the Pac-12 move, I wanted Tommy Connor but I don't think that is an option anymore.

        Pac 12 is better than the WCC, but BYU is far better than Utah for Rose.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kccougar View Post
          The more I see and hear about Boylen's Utes the more I'm convinced that he doesn't have what it takes to develop any kind of offensive game for his team. I don't think he will turn things around at Utah, and I believe that within a season or two Dr. Chris Hill will be out looking for a new coach. Again.

          Who do you Ute fans think is on the short list? I keep reading Ute fans talk about Dave Rose, and there are more than a few that think it a foregone conclusion that Rose would very interested in a move to Utah. I'm sorry, but I don't see it. Yes, the new conference affiliation might be attractive, but when it comes to the coaching discussion, these same fans forget what they spend most post-game evenings talking about - the abysmal state of the overall program. Attendance, marketing, support, etc.

          You won't see Dave Rose out begging for people to come to the games. Rose has a good thing going at BYU, and I don't see him deciding to leave for a job at Utah.
          I think a lot of it will be dictated by what is available at the time and how much the perception of the Utah job changes. Further, while I agree with your assesment that it looks like Boylen isn't going to be a great coach for the Utes I also don't think he sucks. Hence, keeping him around for another year is not going to kill the Utah program. I think that fact alone will be the biggest key to how Hill acts. If Hill gets a chance to land a real good replacement, especially a throwback like Howland coming off a destructive big time experience, then I think Hill will act. But if Utah is viewed as a less than desirable location by most coaches in the coaching fraternity, as I think it was the past two times the Utes tried to hire, then I think Hill would be wise to ride it out another year.

          I also think that the situation with BYU will have some influence. I don't think Rose wants to inherit the mess at Utah and he clearly knows the limitations of Utah's instate recruiting pool. So I don't think Rose is an option for Utah - it would be a step down at present. But I have said that the Rose situation will tell us a great deal about BYU's future. If Rose is convinced that the WCC is the long term future for BYU's hoops, I am not entirely convinced he will stay. I don't think it is a homerun that he leaves as I believe both he and his wife are real happy in Provo, but I believe he would be more excited about his future with BYU if he believes it is in the Big-12. Keeping Boylen around allows that situation to sort itself out and the Utah job might be more attractive to better coaching candidates if that coach knows he won't be competing with Dave Rose.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
            If the Utes hired Dave Rose, I would be absolutely thrilled but I agree he might not take the job. However, he would certainly listen to the offer because it is a huge upgrade from the WCC to the Pac-12. Also, his program was almost sacrificed for the football program (going to the WAC), so he has to wonder about his place at the university. If I was a betting man though, I would bet on him turning the Utes down.

            Before the Pac-12 move, I wanted Tommy Connor but I don't think that is an option anymore.
            I don't think all Pac-12 options are an upgrade to BYU's current situation in the WCC. Utah probably doesn't make the cut of being one of those Pac-12 upgrades. Utah hoops has struggled for a long time. It has become a football school. Rose is 50 now and the Utah job could take a few years to rebuild. If he is going to leave BYU's WCC job for the Pac-12 I think he will leave it for a more established program than Utah's where he thinks he could hit the ground running. Right now the Utah program has one decent player, O'brien I think, who is not a junior or senior. From what little I hear it appears nobody is high on any of the Utah freshman or sophmores. I understand the Utes landed a top 50 recruit for next year, perhaps in another year it might appear that the Utes have a young nucleus with Obrien and this recruit that a coach can build around.
            Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
            -General George S. Patton

            I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
            -DOCTOR Wuap

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
              If the Utes hired Dave Rose, I would be absolutely thrilled but I agree he might not take the job. However, he would certainly listen to the offer because it is a huge upgrade from the WCC to the Pac-12. Also, his program was almost sacrificed for the football program (going to the WAC), so he has to wonder about his place at the university. If I was a betting man though, I would bet on him turning the Utes down.

              Before the Pac-12 move, I wanted Tommy Connor but I don't think that is an option anymore.
              By this logic, Washington State or Oregon State would be an upgrade for Mark Few? Pretty myopic for a Ute fan to even bring up the name Dave Rose in a coaching discussion.

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              • #8
                I've been beating the St. Marys coach drum for quite some time, so I think he would be an option.

                Another guy who was in the running last time was the Old Dominion coach Blaine Taylor, who has connections to the west.
                "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                • #9
                  I don't see Rose going anywhere. Especially not Utah.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                    If the Utes hired Dave Rose, I would be absolutely thrilled but I agree he might not take the job. However, he would certainly listen to the offer because it is a huge upgrade from the WCC to the Pac-12. Also, his program was almost sacrificed for the football program (going to the WAC), so he has to wonder about his place at the university. If I was a betting man though, I would bet on him turning the Utes down.

                    Before the Pac-12 move, I wanted Tommy Connor but I don't think that is an option anymore.
                    Why do you say that about Connor?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by scottie View Post
                      Why do you say that about Connor?
                      I would think it is because Utah needs to hit a homerun with an established D1 coach. Hill has tapped out his diamond in the rough well twice now. I think Connor would be considered, but 3-4 guys would have to turn the job down in order for him to get a shot. Just an opinion.
                      "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                      Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                      • #12
                        I don't see Rose going to Utah. Look at the hubbub surrounding Whittingham coaching at Utah after a playing career at BYU and after being offered the head coaching gig. I don't know Rose personally, but I don't see him as a guy who would appreciate the drama that would permanently surround a move to Utah.

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                        • #13
                          I have a tip for Chris Hill: He needs to stop letting famous coaches tell him to hire their jogging buddies and assistants. We need a HC with a proven track record.

                          I doubt Rose would move; the health problems seems to cement this. If he were interested in moving it would be to Utah, as it's very close by and BYU has downgraded its conference. Even Gonzaga is now beeing put in its proper place.
                          When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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                          • #14
                            Another name to watch would be Kerry Rupp. He's had some success at La. Tech and obviously has Utah ties.
                            "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                            Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                            • #15
                              Rose to Utah...that's some funny stuff.

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