Boylen

[LA Ute]

This situation is unlike any other in the history of the rivalry. If Juddy can go coach women's hoops at BYU, Dave Rose is smart enough to further his career without moving his family -- or at least strongly consider it. Of course, such consideration is for Dr. Hill to decide.

It would not bother me to see it happe, don't get me wrong about that. I still like Jimmy so much that I really want to see him succeed.

[Coastal Ute]

It would not bother me to see it happe, don't get me wrong about that. I still like Jimmy so much that I really want to see him succeed.

I was at the point early last year, but I've since reached the age of reason. Based off of the results he's given us, I sincerely doubt we'll see anything different. Let's take the '08-'09 campaign into consideration. We went 24-9. Not bad. But do you remember watching those guys play? Yikes. It was not fun. And the game against Arizona was very telling. For Boylen to have ANY success, he'd have to make some incredible adjustments as well as do some stellar recruiting. The Pac-10 will help with that, but I'm afraid it won't be enough.

I'm all for moving on here, and I would be thrilled to see Rose at the helm. Always liked the guy.

[UteStar]

This year is a win/win for Utah hoops, IMO. If Boylen wins with guys he's recruited, then that bodes well for the future and more cache as Utah heads to the Pac 10. If it is another shit the bed type season, then a better coach can be brought in because the school is headed to the Pac 10.

I have to agree here...if Boylen rights the ship and the players play hard and they turn in a respectable season, the future is bright. If Boylen struggles hard, I really think that the Utes let him go and go after someone to start off a new era in the Pac-12.

I hope it works for Boylen. I think he is a great guy and he obviously has so much energy...this year will be very interesting.

[Clark Addison]

This situation is unlike any other in the history of the rivalry. If Juddy can go coach women's hoops at BYU, Dave Rose is smart enough to further his career without moving his family -- or at least strongly consider it. Of course, such consideration is for Dr. Hill to decide.

Mark Few is also a pretty smart guy, so I guess he'll be moving up to Washington State soon.

[SeattleUte]

Unless the team hugely improves quickly this year there is a stronger case for firing Jim Boylen than there was for axing Ray Giacoletti.

Here was Giacoletti's record after 3 years:

2004-05 Utah 29-6 13-1 1 NCAA Sweet Sixteen #14
2005-06 Utah 14-15 6-10 6
2006-07 Utah 11-19 6-10 6-T
At Utah 54-40

Jim Boylen after 4 years:

2007–2008 Utah 18–15 7–9 6th CBI 2nd Round
2008–2009 Utah 24–10 12–4 T-1st NCAA 1st Round
2009–2010 Utah 14–17 7–9 T-5th
2010-2011 Utah 7-7
Utah: 63–49 26–22

However, Giacoletti had recruited the nucleus of the team that Boylen rode to the MWC title in 2008-09 (still, that was not a great team, Neville always seemed to underachieve, the chemistry was never superb, so I guess credit and blame is a complicated question).

Has Boylen recruited the nucleus of an MWC champion two years from now? Not that we know because the currrent nucleus are pretty much all JUCOS (Washburn and Glover pretty much the only exceptions). As stated in the first post in this thread, Boylen gets a huge demerit because of the disaster of lising his nucleus last year, and having to try to fix it with JUCOS.

Utah is headed for its second straight losing season and cellar or near cellar finish in the MWC.

[Portland Ute]

Unless the team hugely improves quickly this year there is a stronger case for firing Jim Boylen than there was for axing Ray Giacoletti.

Here was Giacoletti's record after 3 years:



Jim Boylen after 4 years:



However, Giacoletti had recruited the nucleus of the team that Boylen rode to the MWC title in 2008-09 (still, that was not a great team, Neville always seemed to underachieve, the chemistry was never superb, so I guess credit and blame is a complicated question).

Has Boylen recruited the nucleus of an MWC champion two years from now? Not that we know because the currrent nucleus are pretty much all JUCOS (Washburn and Glover pretty much the only exceptions). As stated in the first post in this thread, Boylen gets a huge demerit because of the disaster of lising his nucleus last year, and having to try to fix it with JUCOS.

Utah is headed for its second straight losing season and cellar or near cellar finish in the MWC.

It's interesting, coming from you, particularly, that you give Giac credit for recruiting the guys that Boylen took to the 08-09 MWC title but make no mention of Giac riding Majerus recruits to the Sweet 16 in his first year.

[SeattleUte]

It's interesting, coming from you, particularly, that you give Giac credit for recruiting the guys that Boylen took to the 08-09 MWC title but make no mention of Giac riding Majerus recruits to the Sweet 16 in his first year.

It's interesting I have to spell this out for you. They both rode coattails at the outset. Indeed, they both road the ample coattails of one Rick Majerus whom you only hated and villified, empty headed ingrate fan that you are. So really the one good season that each had cancels each other out. However, at least Giacoletti brought Neville in as a freshman (though he was really a Majerus recruit), and recruited his supporting cast. Also, while Giacoletti no doubt inherited more, the team didn't spontaneously become a runaway MWC champion and Sweet 16 team. A fair person has to give him some credit for that. Mike Rose has had an all-American; let's see if he gets BYU into a run a away regular season title and Sweet 16 scenario. The smart money says he won't. So, ignoring all the caveats, Giacolett had a worlds apart better year than Boylen's best, and Boylen's future looks worse than Giacoletti's when we fired him. Also, Boylen has had four years not just three to put the program in the position of having a bright future.

All I'm saying is there is a better case for firing Boylen than there was for firing Giacoletti. In fact, Boylen is starting to make me see Giacoletti in a different light. Sometimes a little history does that to our perceptions.

Considering that Majerus road Lynn Archibald's coattails to his first great Sweet 16 year, Boylen may be the worst basketball coach we've had in my lifetime.

[Portland Ute]

Indeed, they both road the ample coattails of one Rick Majerus whom you only hated and villified, empty headed ingrate fan that you are.

Still perpetrating this absolute bullshit are you?

Get a new schtick, you tired codger.

[SeattleUte]

I predict the Utes start the MWC season 0-4, and will sink to 7-11.

You heard it here first.

[myboynoah]

I predict the Utes start the MWC season 0-4, and will sink to 7-11.

You heard it here first.

Another one of your pie-in-the-sky predictions?

When will this end?

[TripletDaddy]

I predict the Utes start the MWC season 0-4, and will sink to 7-11.

Portland Ute and everyone else are tired of your negative attitude.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I predict the Utes start the MWC season 0-4, and will sink to 7-11.

You heard it here first.

I hope that if that is true Boylen takes them all for Slurpees.

[ERCougar]

I predict the Utes start the MWC season 0-4, and will sink to 7-11.

You heard it here first.

So, the losing streak stops at...New Mexico?

[SeattleUte]

So, the losing streak stops at...New Mexico?

Last time I checked the schedule they played New Mexico before Wyoming at home. Someone must have changed it. However, it would not surprise me if they lost at home to Wyoming. After all, this year Boylen recruited a kid who Wyoming had brought to Laramie to play JUCO there anticipating giving him a scholarship, and then decided it didn't want.

[LA Ute]

So, the losing streak stops at...New Mexico?

ER, you will have a hard time getting anyone here to rise up angrily in defense of Boylen or the current Ute BB program. Troll about Whittingham or denigrate the Utes' prospects in their new conference; you'll get better results.