To take a break here and discuss Utah hoops...

[landpoke]

Utah had plenty of team cancer this year, but Marshall Henderson wasn't it.

The subject I remain puzzled by is what Marshall Henderson did to be a bust that was so much worse than what Jimmer Fredette did his freshman year, only Fredette wasn't in a position to have to carry the load.

Well, watching him single handedly lose at Laramie for ya'll and act like a dick while he did it probably informs my position.

[hostile]

Right now, Utah is not a real attractive destination even if Karl Bankowski hit a baseline jumper in 1977 to beat North Carolina or somebodyoranother!

It was Louisville, dammit!

[Goatnapper'96]

It was Louisville, dammit!

It would take a team with a crummy coach!

[il Padrino Ute]

Dick Harmon, that's who I was thinking of.

Harmon at least knows his target audience, so I really don't have a problem with him because he's not going to write anything that I'd be interested in writing.

Monson, OTH, thinks he's the greatest writer on the planet and believes that anyone who doesn't agree with his lousy writing is an ignorant buffoon. He also takes pride in his grudge-holding ability so down the road, should Boylen be gone, Monson will write a scathing column 2 or 3 years later.

[Mr. Crimson]

Well, watching him single handedly lose at Laramie for ya'll and act like a dick while he did it probably informs my position.

The Laramie game was over when Foster and Tillie. fouled out, how it unfolded after that is immaterial.

[Blueintheface]

Utah had plenty of team cancer this year, but Marshall Henderson wasn't it.

The subject I remain puzzled by is what Marshall Henderson did to be a bust that was so much worse than what Jimmer Fredette did his freshman year, only Fredette wasn't in a position to have to carry the load.

Because Jimmer put up those pedestrian numbers (7pts 2ast in 18min) and didn't seek any attention for it. Henderson had an overall better year from a scoring standpoint (12pts 1ast in 28min) than did Jimmer and yes he was most certainly asked to do more than Jimmer was his freshman year but no one, yourself included, can dispute the "bust" label he brings upon himself by acting that way on such a poor team. If Utah's big men can figure out some low post moves he will most certainly improve in scoring and FG% but I doubt that 18 months from now we're talking about 49 pts he just dropped on Arizona. It's not fair to compare the two really but your puzzlement deserved to be addressed.

[Goatnapper'96]

Utah had plenty of team cancer this year, but Marshall Henderson wasn't it.

The subject I remain puzzled by is what Marshall Henderson did to be a bust that was so much worse than what Jimmer Fredette did his freshman year, only Fredette wasn't in a position to have to carry the load.

What do you mean? It is obvious to those who watched both play that Fredette was a much better player, but I don't know what you mean by bust. I just don't think Henderson is a type of player to build around. I think he is a role player, but likely a better offensive role player than Mike Rose was. I think that is a more appropriate comparison to a BYU player. Mike Rose.

[Mr. Crimson]

Because Jimmer put up those pedestrian numbers (7pts 2ast in 18min) and didn't seek any attention for it. Henderson had an overall better year from a scoring standpoint (12pts 1ast in 28min) than did Jimmer and yes he was most certainly asked to do more than Jimmer was his freshman year but no one, yourself included, can dispute the "bust" label he brings upon himself by acting that way on such a poor team. If Utah's big men can figure out some low post moves he will most certainly improve in scoring and FG% but I doubt that 18 months from now we're talking about 49 pts he just dropped on Arizona. It's not fair to compare the two really but your puzzlement deserved to be addressed.

So Henderson sucks because you don't like the way he acts. As long as we're clear.

[landpoke]

The Laramie game was over when Foster and Tillie. fouled out, how it unfolded after that is immaterial.

I was there, you weren't. Even with the frog and the v-j out y'all were still in the game. Until Henderson "stepped up" that is.

[Goatnapper'96]

So Henderson sucks because you don't like the way he acts. As long as we're clear.

There are a lot of guys who don't suck that are also just not very good. Marshall is in that vast category!

[Blueintheface]

So Henderson sucks because you don't like the way he acts. As long as we're clear.

I'm not going to get into a Henderson pissing contest with you, it's evident that unless his teammates improve, he will not. Is that fair, no, but great players get better despite their teammates. With ony his freshman year to draw from, he got worse. Remember, you brought this comparison upon yourself.

[Mr. Crimson]

What do you mean? It is obvious to those who watched both play that Fredette was a much better player, but I don't know what you mean by bust. I just don't think Henderson is a type of player to build around. I think he is a role player, but likely a better offensive role player than Mike Rose was. I think that is a more appropriate comparison to a BYU player. Mike Rose.

Many things become reality to BYU fans when they are winning that just don't mix with reality. Like the current Fredette better than Andre Miller theory. I'm saying I look at the stats and then the team surrounding them and Fredette clearly did nothing more as a freshman.

[Blueintheface]

Many things become reality to BYU Deseret Duel fans when they are winning that just don't mix with reality.

Fixed

[Mr. Crimson]

Fixed

See this is why I like this place, just when I think I'm into a good ole fashion pissing match, someone goes and makes a funny.

Good times good times

[DrumNFeather]

Plus you'd get immense satisfaction at BYU fans most UNclever use of old nicknames. I'm sure he's learned more than a few things from big Rick in his time in St. Louis. He appears to be covering up a bad taco experience in this recent photo, an old Rick special.

Kind of looks like he's coaching Ricky Rubio, maybe he'll bring him to Utah with him.