Brethren, adieu?

[SeattleUte]

Well, that's a pretty safe guess on 90% of good college basketball players, so you'll likely end up being right, but I don't see any reason why he can't have an NBA career. He reminds me a lot of Stockton. Plays at a fairly slow pace, but can shift gears on a dime to slide in for a layup. He lulls people. And he's a good passer and a great shooter. And he's strong. What's not to like?

I don't get where this "Jimmer can't succeed in the NBA" idea comes from.

The fact that they've got him as a second rounder? 90% of second rounders don't make it.

[CardiacCoug]

I don't think he has an NBA career, either, which is why i think he may jump. He really has little to gain by coming back.

Compare to Harvey, who probably doesn't have a great NFL career ahead of him but can't go to Greece and play football for comparable NFL money. So Harvey comes back for one last glory year and then off to a career in cell phone kiosk sales.

Luke Staley is now working in pharmaceutical sales, by the way.

[TripletDaddy]

Well, that's a pretty safe guess on 90% of good college basketball players, so you'll likely end up being right, but I don't see any reason why he can't have an NBA career. He reminds me a lot of Stockton. Plays at a fairly slow pace, but can shift gears on a dime to slide in for a layup. He lulls people. And he's a good passer and a great shooter. And he's strong. What's not to like?

I don't get where this "Jimmer can't succeed in the NBA" idea comes from.

You are correct in that there is no way to know for sure. I would think it comes from a few places, first and foremost in your bolded setence above. Second, BYU doesn't have a history of producing a lot of NBA talent (what percentage of NBA rosters contain MWC players?), third that some of Jimmers inside moves wouldn't be successful in the NBA...there is a reason you don't see a lot of NBA guards scooping up layup after layup. Finally, after his incredible run in college, he is currently barely projected as a second round pick....so you are probably better served asking all the NBA scouts "what's not to like?" There are obviously lots of things they don't like for the transition to the NBA game.

I am not saying it is going to be impossible for Jimmer, but I am also not holding my breath. Jimmer is fantastic in the college game, though.

[TripletDaddy]

Well, that's a pretty safe guess on 90% of good college basketball players, so you'll likely end up being right, but I don't see any reason why he can't have an NBA career. He reminds me a lot of Stockton. Plays at a fairly slow pace, but can shift gears on a dime to slide in for a layup. He lulls people. And he's a good passer and a great shooter. And he's strong. What's not to like?

I don't get where this "Jimmer can't succeed in the NBA" idea comes from.

You are correct in that there is no way to know for sure. I would think it comes from a few places, first and foremost in your bolded setence above. Second, BYU doesn't have a history of producing a lot of NBA talent (what percentage of NBA rosters contain MWC players?), third that some of Jimmers inside moves wouldn't be successful in the NBA...there is a reason you don't see a lot of NBA guards scooping up layup after layup. Finally, after his incredible run in college, he is currently barely projected as a second round pick....so you are probably better served asking all the NBA scouts "what's not to like?" There are obviously lots of things they don't like for the transition to the NBA game.

I am not saying it is going to be impossible for Jimmer, but I am also not holding my breath. Jimmer is fantastic in the college game, though.

EDIT: meant to ask above "how many MWC players are on NBA rosters." Does anyone know?

[cougjunkie]

You are correct in that there is no way to know for sure. I would think it comes from a few places, first and foremost in your bolded setence above. Second, BYU doesn't have a history of producing a lot of NBA talent (what percentage of NBA rosters contain MWC players?), third that some of Jimmers inside moves wouldn't be successful in the NBA...there is a reason you don't see a lot of NBA guards scooping up layup after layup. Finally, after his incredible run in college, he is currently barely projected as a second round pick....so you are probably better served asking all the NBA scouts "what's not to like?" There are obviously lots of things they don't like for the transition to the NBA game.

I am not saying it is going to be impossible for Jimmer, but I am also not holding my breath. Jimmer is fantastic in the college game, though.

EDIT: meant to ask above "how many MWC players are on NBA rosters." Does anyone know?

The one thing with Jimmer is that he is just recently bursting on to the scene. Last year he was an afterthought. It was the 49 pt game against Arizona that turned heads. Then he got sick and was back in the rear view mirror somewhat. Now that he has dropped 45, 30 and 37 in his last 3 games he is turning heads again. If he comes back for his senior year and continues to excel he has a good shot. One NBA GM has already said he is a top 5 pg if he comes out in this draft.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Jimmer absolutely could slip into the first round. He can shoot from outside. He's a decent passer. He can slash and finish with either hand. He has a pretty decent crossover. He's money from the free throw line. Are you telling me the Lakers would pass on Jimmer with the one of the last two picks of the first round with Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar as their PGs?

Jimmer is a closer and he has a wide variety of skills, most importantly, he can shoot the ball from all over the floor.

[cougjunkie]

You are correct in that there is no way to know for sure. I would think it comes from a few places, first and foremost in your bolded setence above. Second, BYU doesn't have a history of producing a lot of NBA talent (what percentage of NBA rosters contain MWC players?), third that some of Jimmers inside moves wouldn't be successful in the NBA...there is a reason you don't see a lot of NBA guards scooping up layup after layup. Finally, after his incredible run in college, he is currently barely projected as a second round pick....so you are probably better served asking all the NBA scouts "what's not to like?" There are obviously lots of things they don't like for the transition to the NBA game.

I am not saying it is going to be impossible for Jimmer, but I am also not holding my breath. Jimmer is fantastic in the college game, though.

According to the MWC website their are 12.
Current MWC players in the NBA:
Jason Smith, Colorado State (Philadelphia 76ers)
J.R. Giddens, New Mexico (Boston Celtics)
Danny Granger, New Mexico (Indiana Pacers)
Kenny Thomas, New Mexico (Sacramento Kings)
Kurt Thomas, TCU (Milwaukee Bucks)
Louis Amundson, UNLV (Phoenix Suns)
Joel Anthony, UNLV (Miami Heat)
Marcus Banks, UNLV (Toronto Raptors)
Shawn Marion, UNLV (Dallas Mavericks)
Andrew Bogut, Utah (Milwaukee Bucks)
Andre Miller, Utah (Portland Trailblazers)
Theo Ratliff, Wyoming (San Antonio Spurs)

[Donuthole]

Don't overlook the NBA lockout that is looming after next season. If he jumps now, he gets a chance to earn some $$ in the League before the lockout (which is all but inevitable) and/or lock down a spot in a Euroleague before all of the NBA players are sitting around twiddling their thumbs (and the free agents are heading over to europe to play in the interim).

[CardiacCoug]

Don't overlook the NBA lockout that is looming after next season. If he jumps now, he gets a chance to earn some $$ in the League before the lockout (which is all but inevitable) and/or lock down a spot in a Euroleague before all of the NBA players are sitting around twiddling their thumbs (and the free agents are heading over to europe to play in the interim).

That is definitely the argument that an agent would be using with Jimmer this summer.

[cougjunkie]

Don't overlook the NBA lockout that is looming after next season. If he jumps now, he gets a chance to earn some $$ in the League before the lockout (which is all but inevitable) and/or lock down a spot in a Euroleague before all of the NBA players are sitting around twiddling their thumbs (and the free agents are heading over to europe to play in the interim).

I would agree with this except this is what they said about the NFL last year and they had the lowest number of underclassman declare in like 10 years. Bradford, Tebow, Mccoy, Gresham, etc all came back. Maybe these college guys do not think about that as much as I you would think.

[SteelBlue]

According to the MWC website their are 12.
Current MWC players in the NBA:
Jason Smith, Colorado State (Philadelphia 76ers)
J.R. Giddens, New Mexico (Boston Celtics)
Danny Granger, New Mexico (Indiana Pacers)
Kenny Thomas, New Mexico (Sacramento Kings)
Kurt Thomas, TCU (Milwaukee Bucks)
Louis Amundson, UNLV (Phoenix Suns)
Joel Anthony, UNLV (Miami Heat)
Marcus Banks, UNLV (Toronto Raptors)
Shawn Marion, UNLV (Dallas Mavericks)
Andrew Bogut, Utah (Milwaukee Bucks)
Andre Miller, Utah (Portland Trailblazers)
Theo Ratliff, Wyoming (San Antonio Spurs)

On a related note whatever happened to:

A) Plaisted
B) Araujo

Are either of them still playing anywhere?

[TripletDaddy]

According to the MWC website their are 12.
Current MWC players in the NBA:
Jason Smith, Colorado State (Philadelphia 76ers)
J.R. Giddens, New Mexico (Boston Celtics)
Danny Granger, New Mexico (Indiana Pacers)
Kenny Thomas, New Mexico (Sacramento Kings)
Kurt Thomas, TCU (Milwaukee Bucks)
Louis Amundson, UNLV (Phoenix Suns)
Joel Anthony, UNLV (Miami Heat)
Marcus Banks, UNLV (Toronto Raptors)
Shawn Marion, UNLV (Dallas Mavericks)
Andrew Bogut, Utah (Milwaukee Bucks)
Andre Miller, Utah (Portland Trailblazers)
Theo Ratliff, Wyoming (San Antonio Spurs)

ok, so this is what I am talking about. You can't say that Jimmer has no chance, but it is pretty evident why some may question whether Jimmer can make the transition. The MWC doesn't really produce very many pro players, for whatever reason.

For the record, I hope he does have a nice career in the NBA. I just wonder. Guys like Kalid El-Amin and Mateen Cleaves were very Jimmer-esque in college as well. Plus they won national championships.

[Donuthole]

I would agree with this except this is what they said about the NFL last year and they had the lowest number of underclassman declare in like 10 years. Bradford, Tebow, Mccoy, Gresham, etc all came back. Maybe these college guys do not think about that as much as I you would think.

That's because the NFL lockout wasn't (isn't) looming for the 2010 season, but for the 2011 season. So people are getting into the 2010 draft so as not to be drafted in 2011 and then find themselves in a lockout.

The bigger factor, though, is the probability of such a lockout. The NFL lockout is not nearly as probably as the NBA lockout. The NFL is making money hand over fist, which means the NFL lockout would potentially be about how to split up a really huge pie that keeps growing and growing. The NBA lockout is about how to split up a pie that keeps shrinking in a league that is presently hemorrhaging money.

[Jarid in Cedar]

That's because the NFL lockout wasn't (isn't) looming for the 2010 season, but for the 2011 season. So people are getting into the 2010 draft so as not to be drafted in 2011 and then find themselves in a lockout.

The bigger factor, though, is the probability of such a lockout. The NFL lockout is not nearly as probably as the NBA lockout. The NFL is making money hand over fist, which means the NFL lockout would potentially be about how to split up a really huge pie that keeps growing and growing. The NBA lockout is about how to split up a pie that keeps shrinking in a league that is presently hemorrhaging money.

The NBA is in big trouble(as a whole) financially. The empty arenas on television are eye opening.

[Art Vandelay]

ok, so this is what I am talking about. You can't say that Jimmer has no chance, but it is pretty evident why some may question whether Jimmer can make the transition. The MWC doesn't really produce very many pro players, for whatever reason.

For the record, I hope he does have a nice career in the NBA. I just wonder. Guys like Kalid El-Amin and Mateen Cleaves were very Jimmer-esque in college as well. Plus they won national championships.

hmmm I haven't thought about Kalid or Mateen for awhile but my recollection is they both may be been built like him but neither had his type of outside game. Granted all 3 used their body very well but Jimmer is a much better long ball shooter than either of them, and they both benefited from a lot of wide open looks at the 3 due the far superior teammates they played with. I'm also guessing they were both in the 6'0" range.