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  • PaloAltoCougar
    Semper infra dignitatem
    • Nov 2008
    • 16922

    #1

    Back to School Night

    Last night, Mme. PAC and I attended our 78th (and final!) Back to School Night (six kids times 13). Our youngest has the typical HS senior class load, but I was interested to see that his English class, which since my day has been called Senior Lit or some such, is now called: Literature and Social Justice. I listened to his young teacher’s fervent presentation about the objectives of the class which seem far more focused on the social justice part than on the literature part. While she spoke, I had an enjoyable time imagining myself surrounded by CUF’ers of all political stripes, with imagined reactions ranging from “What the hell is this crap?” to “This is a vital addition to a young person’s education, providing insight into the human condition and greater sensitivity to the repressed and underprivileged.” Over the years, I’ve trended slightly away from the former and toward the latter, but last night pushed me back a bit toward a simple “WTF?”, where F stands for “flip”, in case anyone is concerned for my soul.

    A large sign at the front of the room showed a rainbow of multicolored silhouettes of people with the proud announcement “We are all equal!” Uh, no, we’re not. And while promoting equal opportunity and eliminating societal and governmental roadblocks to such opportunity is vital, the essence of liberty is the freedom to be unequal, and this class seems like it might ignore that.

    The reading list includes some touchy feely readings and I intend to follow along. Fortunately, the first book is an exception to the squishy stuff, and I’m looking forward to reading again, and discussing with the boy, Lord of the Flies.

    It’s interesting to note the changes that have taken place in the English curricula since we started going to BTSNs 28 years ago. I’m not sure all of them have been positive. I’m interested in your reactions to this progressive development in the study of literature. I’ll put Robin down for a Yes!, and IPU and ‘71 down for a Screw That!, but I’m less certain after that.
  • Soccermom
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 4063

    #2
    Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Last night, Mme. PAC and I attended our 78th (and final!) Back to School Night (six kids times 13). Our youngest has the typical HS senior class load, but I was interested to see that his English class, which since my day has been called Senior Lit or some such, is now called: Literature and Social Justice. I listened to his young teacher’s fervent presentation about the objectives of the class which seem far more focused on the social justice part than on the literature part. While she spoke, I had an enjoyable time imagining myself surrounded by CUF’ers of all political stripes, with imagined reactions ranging from “What the hell is this crap?” to “This is a vital addition to a young person’s education, providing insight into the human condition and greater sensitivity to the repressed and underprivileged.” Over the years, I’ve trended slightly away from the former and toward the latter, but last night pushed me back a bit toward a simple “WTF?”, where F stands for “flip”, in case anyone is concerned for my soul.

    A large sign at the front of the room showed a rainbow of multicolored silhouettes of people with the proud announcement “We are all equal!” Uh, no, we’re not. And while promoting equal opportunity and eliminating societal and governmental roadblocks to such opportunity is vital, the essence of liberty is the freedom to be unequal, and this class seems like it might ignore that.

    The reading list includes some touchy feely readings and I intend to follow along. Fortunately, the first book is an exception to the squishy stuff, and I’m looking forward to reading again, and discussing with the boy, Lord of the Flies.

    It’s interesting to note the changes that have taken place in the English curricula since we started going to BTSNs 28 years ago. I’m not sure all of them have been positive. I’m interested in your reactions to this progressive development in the study of literature. I’ll put Robin down for a Yes!, and IPU and ‘71 down for a Screw That!, but I’m less certain after that.
    I think I am on the Screw That! side of the line, but probably not as far right as '71 and IPU.

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    • smokymountainrain
      Impressive Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 22593

      #3
      My kids are in 2nd and 4th grade. I can honestly say I still look forward to back to school night.

      Doesn't hurt that my daughter's teacher is a certified Milf, however!
      I'm like LeBron James.
      -mpfunk

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      • Donuthole
        Official Outgayer
        • Nov 2008
        • 25238

        #4
        Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
        My kids are in 2nd and 4th grade. I can honestly say I still look forward to back to school night.

        Doesn't hurt that my daughter's teacher is a certified Milf, however!
        Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

        There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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        • wuapinmon
          Soul Plumber
          • Dec 2008
          • 30711

          #5
          As long as the material presented has been vetted and has a pedagogical purpose that has been peer-reviewed, and will satisfy the expectations of the College Board when it comes to AP time, I see no problem with theme-ing the class around an issue rather than merely doing a dead-white-men survey of literature. The theme will help build continuity across the class curriculum, though I'm wondering why 12th graders are reading Lord of the Flies. That came in 5th grade for me, and I can't fathom it being taught after 9th grade.
          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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          • PaloAltoCougar
            Semper infra dignitatem
            • Nov 2008
            • 16922

            #6
            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
            ...I'm wondering why 12th graders are reading Lord of the Flies. That came in 5th grade for me, and I can't fathom it being taught after 9th grade.
            I found it curious as well. I read it as a freshman, but apparently Mini-me has never read it, and I think it's worth reading so better late than never. I haven't read it since 1967 and I'm looking forward to doing it again.

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            • wuapinmon
              Soul Plumber
              • Dec 2008
              • 30711

              #7
              Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
              I found it curious as well. I read it as a freshman, but apparently Mini-me has never read it, and I think it's worth reading so better late than never. I haven't read it since 1967 and I'm looking forward to doing it again.
              I read somewhere that Golding didn't write it as juvenile literature, but it has become just that.....like Animal Farm.
              "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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              • creekster
                It is NOT a monkey!
                • Nov 2008
                • 22661

                #8
                I am probabyl about the same place as soccermom. But I think BYU71's attitude is more fun more so I'll inch over there just a bit.
                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                • cowboy
                  Homer Weems
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 5740

                  #9
                  Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                  I found it curious as well. I read it as a freshman, but apparently Mini-me has never read it, and I think it's worth reading so better late than never. I haven't read it since 1967 and I'm looking forward to doing it again.
                  I find it curious why anyone would want to read it. Dark and depressing, kind of like DDD's favorite Catcher in the Rye.
                  sigpic
                  "Outlined against a blue, gray
                  October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
                  Grantland Rice, 1924

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                  • creekster
                    It is NOT a monkey!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 22661

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cowboy View Post
                    I find it curious why anyone would want to read it. Dark and depressing, kind of like DDD's favorite Catcher in the Rye.
                    this is true, but it is a fabulous read and offers great insight into we humans and, IMO, is an essential part of becoming cutlrually grounded.
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • cowboy
                      Homer Weems
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 5740

                      #11
                      Originally posted by creekster View Post
                      this is true, but it is a fabulous read and offers great insight into we humans and, IMO, is an essential part of becoming cutlrually grounded.
                      I won't argue with that, but they are good books to have read, not good books to want to curl up by the fire and read again. There are a lot in that category - Tale of Two Cities is near the top of the list.
                      sigpic
                      "Outlined against a blue, gray
                      October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
                      Grantland Rice, 1924

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                      • creekster
                        It is NOT a monkey!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22661

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cowboy View Post
                        I won't argue with that, but they are good books to have read, not good books to want to curl up by the fire and read again. There are a lot in that category - Tale of Two Cities is near the top of the list.
                        I agree with that. But if you read it under a Kincaid painting it doesnt seem so dreary, you know?
                        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                        • PaloAltoCougar
                          Semper infra dignitatem
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 16922

                          #13
                          Originally posted by creekster View Post
                          I agree with that. But if you read it under a Kincaid painting it doesnt seem so dreary, you know?
                          Nice. I can picture you doing just that, whilst eating some cotton candy as well.

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                          • byu71
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 22070

                            #14
                            Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

                            It’s interesting to note the changes that have taken place in the English curricula since we started going to BTSNs 28 years ago. I’m not sure all of them have been positive. I’m interested in your reactions to this progressive development in the study of literature. I’ll put Robin down for a Yes!, and IPU and ‘71 down for a Screw That!, but I’m less certain after that.
                            I didn't even have to read the whole thread before I came up with "screw that". I thought that as soon as you said "English lit.".

                            I remember sitting in class reading Lord of the Flies and thinking "screw this".

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                            • byu71
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 22070

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Soccermom View Post
                              I think I am on the Screw That! side of the line, but probably not as far right as '71 and IPU.
                              Hey, haven't you read my posts about Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.

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