2020 General Presidential Election Thread

[myboynoah]

True. But I think the hysterics and exaggerations don't help the cause.

Meh. djt has been a disaster for the U.S. response to COVID and that has its consequences.

[Commando]

Meh. djt has been a disaster for the U.S. response to COVID and that has its consequences.

Yeah that's the final point. If he let the medical experts dictate our response like, say, New Zealand did, we wouldn't be leading the world in covid infections and mortality.

[Uncle Ted]

Meh. djt Dem Govs like Cuomo have has been a disaster for the U.S. response to COVID and that has its consequences. Not to mention Cuomo killed grandma and grandpa.

FIFY.

These Dem managed states like New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. have a fatality rate of 7-9%. Compared to states like Utah and Texas that have a fatality rate of 1%.

[Bo Diddley]

Sure - there are lots of progressives who don't understand politics or how to win an election. I think if Trump didn't get the boot via the 25th, Biden certainly won't.

Yeah, I kind of drew the same comparison in my head, and I think you're right. I do expect there to be noise though.

[Eddie]

Meh. djt has been a disaster for the U.S. response to COVID and that has its consequences.

Yeah that's the final point. If he let the medical experts dictate our response like, say, New Zealand did, we wouldn't be leading the world in covid infections and mortality.

What is the role of the federal government and what is the role of state government in all of this? Frankly, I've been pretty happy with Utah's response overall and been much happier dealing with that response than I would've been from what I've seen in some other areas. I've felt like it's a good mix of sensible and cautious.

I think Trump's messaging has been a train wreck as it relates to COVID - but how much decision-making is he really doing and how much is being done by individual states? The fact that the state responses we see from one to the next are so different leads me to believe that while Trump hasn't been stellar during COVID, far greater responsibility lies with the decisions that mayors, governors, and state legislatures have made - as they are the ones making 90% of the decisions in their areas.

Like I said - I don't think Trump has been stellar by any means. But it has been irritating to see guys like Cuomo place blame on Trump for every and anything that went wrong with the COVID-19 response, and then take credit for everything and anything that goes right. When in reality, Cuomo has been making 90% of the decisions.

To the degree that Trump has influenced the interpretation of data and information coming from the doctors and the CDC and which is being used to make decisions by state and local leaders - he gets all of the blame for that. But even then, it seems like Fauci has been able to say what he wants to say for the most part. Trump has given his interpretation or own opinion - but has he told Fauci what to say? I don't know.

[BigPiney]

Peter File?

Such a great show.

[myboynoah]

What is the role of the federal government and what is the role of state government in all of this? Frankly, I've been pretty happy with Utah's response overall and been much happier dealing with that response than I would've been from what I've seen in some other areas. I've felt like it's a good mix of sensible and cautious.

I think Trump's messaging has been a train wreck as it relates to COVID - but how much decision-making is he really doing and how much is being done by individual states? The fact that the state responses we see from one to the next are so different leads me to believe that while Trump hasn't been stellar during COVID, far greater responsibility lies with the decisions that mayors, governors, and state legislatures have made - as they are the ones making 90% of the decisions in their areas.

Like I said - I don't think Trump has been stellar by any means. But it has been irritating to see guys like Cuomo place blame on Trump for every and anything that went wrong with the COVID-19 response, and then take credit for everything and anything that goes right. When in reality, Cuomo has been making 90% of the decisions.

To the degree that Trump has influenced the interpretation of data and information coming from the doctors and the CDC and which is being used to make decisions by state and local leaders - he gets all of the blame for that. But even then, it seems like Fauci has been able to say what he wants to say for the most part. Trump has given his interpretation or own opinion - but has he told Fauci what to say? I don't know.

The Federal Government has a central role in disaster response. It has failed in this response, despite having had plans on how to respond. There were moments when djt appeared ready to step forward in a productive role, but he quickly retreated. He has a bully pulpit and has used it to encourage actions that have lead to more disastrous results. The U.S. response is an embarrassment, and that buck stops with djt.

[Jeff Lebowski]

FIFY.

These Dem managed states like New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. have a fatality rate of 7-9%. Compared to states like Utah and Texas that have a fatality rate of 1%.

Probably doesn’t have anything to do with population density right?

[Northwestcoug]

Joe Biden should be careful not to pick a VP too far left. If he does, what are the chances the left finds a way to use the 25th Amendment?

I’m no constitutional scholar, but doesn’t the 25th amendment require supermajorities in both houses of Congress to remove a president?

[Bo Diddley]

I’m no constitutional scholar, but doesn’t the 25th amendment require supermajorities in both houses of Congress to remove a president?

Section 4

Section 4 is the only part of the Amendment that has never been used. It allows other executive officials to declare the President unable to do his job. The Vice President must agree to do this.

[myboynoah]

Oh no, Dems want to tear down America!!!!!

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[CardiacCoug]

Probably doesn’t have anything to do with population density right?

How would population density influence case fatality rate?

People are too crowded together to get good medical care?

[Northwestcoug]

Section 4

Isn’t this the relevant part of section 4?

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Sure, the VP can initiate the process. But if he doesn’t convince 2/3 of Congress then the president is back in power.

Am I reading this correctly?

[Bo Diddley]

Isn’t this the relevant part of section 4?



Sure, the VP can initiate the process. But if he doesn’t convince 2/3 of Congress then the president is back in power.

Am I reading this correctly?

Yeah, I honestly don't know how it works. But if Joe really has dementia, how much if a stretch is it?

[YOhio]

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