At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[Now who’s the dean?]

I felt dumber after reading the posted portion of the article. It defies basic logic. You can say lockdowns don't work long term. You can say they cause more harm than good. But they are effective at slowing the spread if the rules are strict and widely followed. How can they not be?

Yeah. I sincerely hope there is something intelligible behind the paywall, but the posted part makes it seem unlikely.

[PaloAltoCougar]

It's interesting to read the opening post again, and my response (not going to panic) remains unchanged, but this turned out to be far more serious than I had expected seven months ago. I assumed COVID would be no different than the other acronymed ailments of the past couple of decades--bad for a few, and in foreign lands, but no biggie for me or the country generally. Kind of whiffed on that one.

[Donuthole]

It's interesting to read the opening post again, and my response (not going to panic) remains unchanged, but this turned out to be far more serious than I had expected seven months ago. I assumed COVID would be no different than the other acronymed ailments of the past couple of decades--bad for a few, and in foreign lands, but no biggie for me or the country generally. Kind of whiffed on that one.

Yet even as bad as it got, it never got quite as bad as mbn wanted it to.

[SeattleUte]

It's interesting to read the opening post again, and my response (not going to panic) remains unchanged, but this turned out to be far more serious than I had expected seven months ago. I assumed COVID would be no different than the other acronymed ailments of the past couple of decades--bad for a few, and in foreign lands, but no biggie for me or the country generally. Kind of whiffed on that one.

Government made it worse than it had to be:

https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1302436102431748097?s=21

[dabrockster]

The Alabama Birmingham Temple President passed away from COVID on Saturday after battling it for 7 weeks on a ventilator.

Brother Gary Pettus was from Florence, Alabama which is the Northern part of the state. He was the Tupelo Mississippi Stake President prior to this new calling.

I served in his Ward in Florence and knew his family. His first wife died in 97 from kidney disease and he ended up marrying her best friend later.

So sad to see this..[emoji22]

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/9/5/21424548/covid-19-birmingham-temple-president-mormon-latter-day-saint-pandemic?fbclid=IwAR0ao-MfmfjOFPTOUDrFe1XLCG3sb18kOrRX35l9zBCZ4922FoDXkYZB4s8

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[beefytee]

Government made it worse than it had to be:

https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/...431748097?s=21

That's your take from that? I missed where he mentioned the government response there.

[SeattleUte]

That's your take from that? I missed where he mentioned the government response there.

He talks about how the virus clearly can be beaten with targeted approaches and protecting the vulnerable. Where does he say lock everything down was good?

[cowboy]

He talks about how the virus clearly can be beaten with targeted approaches and protecting the vulnerable. Where does he say lock everything down was good?

I'm with SU on this. My BIL is the head ICU nurse in a Billings hospital, where they are at 110% capacity right now. He confirms that it's an awful virus, but he's also of the opinion that lockdowns and mask orders have done nothing to help. He believes the best thing that could have been done is simply being vigilant around the vulnerable, and educating the vulnerable on ways to stay safe. The vast majority of his patients have prior conditions that made them more susceptible and less able to fight the virus.

My BIL who is a transplant surgeon lost dozens of patients because transplants were shut down for over two months. He doesn't believe mandatory lockdowns had much, if any, net positive effect on overall deaths. Even using an optimistic number of lives saved, the cost of the lockdowns (ie, Federal spending to compensate businesses, etc.) on a $/life saved has been over $5 million/life thus far. This is exasperating to him because he has to fight tooth and nail to get Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurers to spend far less on saving a life with a transplant.

[Pelado]

I'm with SU on this. My BIL is the head ICU nurse in a Billings hospital, where they are at 110% capacity right now. He confirms that it's an awful virus, but he's also of the opinion that lockdowns and mask orders have done nothing to help. He believes the best thing that could have been done is simply being vigilant around the vulnerable, and educating the vulnerable on ways to stay safe. The vast majority of his patients have prior conditions that made them more susceptible and less able to fight the virus.

My BIL who is a transplant surgeon lost dozens of patients because transplants were shut down for over two months. He doesn't believe mandatory lockdowns had much, if any, net positive effect on overall deaths. Even using an optimistic number of lives saved, the cost of the lockdowns (ie, Federal spending to compensate businesses, etc.) on a $/life saved has been over $5 million/life thus far. This is exasperating to him because he has to fight tooth and nail to get Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurers to spend far less on saving a life with a transplant.

On the plus side, he has not required his transplant patients to travel by airplane for annual appointments, so there's that.

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[Northwestcoug]

Oxford's phase 3 vaccine trial halted due to a case of transverse myelitis. This could be a nothing burger, as in an unrelated viral infection, or something pretty bad that could potentially be a problem with other vaccines. The next few days should be interesting.

[Uncle Ted]

WTF... They cancelled Halloween! Basturds.

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[Uncle Ted]

Oxford's phase 3 vaccine trial halted due to a case of transverse myelitis. This could be a nothing burger, as in an unrelated viral infection, or something pretty bad that could potentially be a problem with other vaccines. The next few days should be interesting.

Figures... The Russian "Sputnick" vaccine is doing well:

Russian Covid-19 Vaccine 'Sputnik V' Trials Show It's Safe, Produces Antibody Response: Lancet Report
The newly published study on Sputnik V suggested that early results from trials show no major negative side effects

Russia last month approved its potential Coronavirus vaccine, Sputnik V. While several experts raised concerns about the effectiveness of the vaccine due to lack of evidence, according to newly published research, patients involved in early trials of the COVID-19 vaccine developed antibodies with "no serious adverse events."
[...]

https://www.ibtimes.sg/russian-covid-19-vaccine-sputnik-v-trials-show-its-safe-produces-antibody-response-lancet-51197

[Northwestcoug]

Figures... The Russian "Sputnick" vaccine is doing well:


https://www.ibtimes.sg/russian-covid...e-lancet-51197

Yeah, I'm going to trust the Russian vaccine that decided to forego phase 3 trials

[Uncle Ted]

Yeah, I'm going to trust the Russian vaccine that decided to forego phase 3 trials

I think they are doing their phase 3 trials now... on their citizens including Putin's own daughter.

[cowboy]

On the plus side, he has not required his transplant patients to travel by airplane for annual appointments, so there's that.

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So you've got that going for you, which is nice.