War with Iran - DEFCON 3

[falafel]

Trump has turned out to be a total pussy so Iran, Syria, Russian, and North Korea pretty much have free rein to pull whatever bullshit they want.

Elizabeth Warren would set them straight.

[BigFatMeanie]

Mitt doesn't think the US should take any direct action against Iran:

Direct engagement by US military in response to Iran’s attacks on Saudi oil infrastructure would be a grave mistake. The US has continued arms sales so Saudi Arabia can defend itself. If SA responds against Iran attacks, the US should be ready to support in a non-kinetic role.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46639438...-grave-mistake

[Bo Diddley]

Bump.

[frank ryan]

Bump.

Was it us or Israel? Not that it matters.


I just read that guy was the leader of the Quds Force. He was a bigwig.

[Bo Diddley]

Was it us or Israel? Not that it matters.

It was us.

[Walter Sobchak]

The course of endless war is one eternal round.

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[Art Vandelay]

I use to read as much as I could about the Middle East. I haven’t in recent years. I honestly don’t which regime is in power in most of the countries anymore. I thought this was a good Cliff Notes version on the attack

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[SCcoug]

My former coworker's (who took a job in Hawaii last month) father is the current US ambassador in Iraq. Hope he and other US servicemen stay safe from any Iranian retaliations.

[myboynoah]

We are all better off that he is dead.

[SeattleUte]

To some democrats, of course this is all about Trump. But some big things are not really about Trump. Did trump lead this or did the Pentagon come to him and say we have this opportunity, will you approve it?

[wapiti]

To some democrats, of course this is all about Trump. But some big things are not really about Trump. Did trump lead this or did the Pentagon come to him and say we have this opportunity, will you approve it?

Probably the latter. But Fareed Zakariah said last night that this same opportunity has been presented at least one other time in Syria and the decision was no. I get the sense that he's not that hard to track down. The recent escalation provided cover to take him out.

I wonder if Iran will back down and try to turn this into a political win by getting US troops removed from Iraq. That would create a nice path for sending weapons and men to Syria and Lebanon.

[SeattleUte]

Probably the latter. But Fareed Zakariah said last night that this same opportunity has been presented at least one other time in Syria and the decision was no. I get the sense that he's not that hard to track down. The recent escalation provided cover to take him out.

I wonder if Iran will back down and try to turn this into a political win by getting US troops removed from Iraq. That would create a nice path for sending weapons and men to Syria and Lebanon.

Maybe so. But I'd like to hear what the generals have to say, which is mostly classified. If Trump followed the Pentagon's advice, that's about all I need to know right now. The situation is different now than it was for Bush or Obama.

Ironically, the second round of impeachment hysteria was a lot about Trump ignoring the specialists in the State Department.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting tiresome, and my sense is that I'm not alone in this feeling. Had Obama done this probably the whole country would have been behind him and said it's a good thing.

[frank ryan]

Maybe so. But I'd like to hear what the generals have to say, which is mostly classified. If Trump followed the Pentagon's advice, that's about all I need to know right now. The situation is different now than it was for Bush or Obama.

Ironically, the second round of impeachment hysteria was a lot about Trump ignoring the specialists in the State Department.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting tiresome, and my sense is that I'm not alone in this feeling. Had Obama done this probably the whole country would have been behind him and said it's a good thing.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bullshit term used to dismiss criticisms of Trump. If you're looking for obsessive fixation on Trump, look no further than his increasingly common 5th Ave. voters. The folks that embrace the narrative that the country's intelligence apparatus conspired, in the dark, blabber on about the malicious mainstream media.

When is the last time you offered unqualified criticism of Trump? Beyond the usual, "he's an idiot," or, "he's uncouth" ?

The only way we'd have any idea if Trump didn't follow advice from military leaders would be if it came out in the media, which some of you would label "fake news." Trump has a history of ignoring military advice. Look no further than Russia-enabling move of leaving the Kurds to the slaughter of Turkish soldiers.

The Iranian leader was a horrible person. I'm not sad he's dead. If this assassination makes us safer, than it's a good thing, but if it draws us in to an open conflict in the middle east, than it's not.

[SeattleUte]

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bullshit term used to dismiss criticisms of Trump. If you're looking for obsessive fixation on Trump, look no further than his increasingly common 5th Ave. voters. The folks that embrace the narrative that the country's intelligence apparatus conspired, in the dark, blabber on about the malicious mainstream media.

When is the last time you offered unqualified criticism of Trump? Beyond the usual, "he's an idiot," or, "he's uncouth" ?

The only way we'd have any idea if Trump didn't follow advice from military leaders would be if it came out in the media, which some of you would label "fake news." Trump has a history of ignoring military advice. Look no further than Russia-enabling move of leaving the Kurds to the slaughter of Turkish soldiers.

The Iranian leader was a horrible person. I'm not sad he's dead. If this assassination makes us safer, than it's a good thing, but if it draws us in to an open conflict in the middle east, than it's not.

According to the liberal Atlantic magazine, Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ombies/603052/

[Eddie]

I'd say that simple political derangement syndrome is a pretty real thing. Too many folks I know who otherwise seem to be rational and intelligent people completely lose their minds over some of this political stuff. I don't know - but I probably have my own moments that folks think I've lost it as well.

But to say it simply doesn't exist is silly, Frank.

Trump has done some dumb things - beyond just his dumb tweets. I don't know anyone here who loves that he abandoned the kurds or is happy about families being split up at the border. They may not react as strongly as you think they should - but that is different than saying that they believe it is a good thing and fully support him.

I think there's more truth to what SU is saying than what you'll give him credit for. Don't call it Trump derangement syndrome if you don't like the term - but I agree with the idea that people are getting fed up with or tired of the histrionics from the left every time Trump does anything, and half of the time when he does nothing and they think he should've done something. I've been saying from the beginning that when the focus become everything he's ever done is wrong, wrong, wrong and the most horrible thing any president has ever done - those pointing out his faults lose their credibility to point out the actual bad stuff he does do.