Impeaching Trump: Make America Sane Again

[Commando]

Trump is bad, but Biden has been very not good on a lot of issues. Decent on some though. I'm not sure what more he could be doing on the pandemic. Plenty of vaccine available, people just won't take it. Does just about all he can do legally (and it may not be legal) by mandating the vaccine for federal employees and companies with 100+ workers. I wonder what more could he do at this point?

Obviously there is a contingency of people who are salivating to jump in and criticize their political adversary for things. Trump 'calling' for Biden's resignation over the Afghanistan situation is just par for the course for that moron. The right wing media is squarely responsible for the bulk of vaccine hesitancy. Fox News (whose employees all have the vaccine) is CONSTANTLY planting seeds against vaccination- freedum this and 'experimental' that. Obviously they are railing against the probability that covid goes away under Biden and the country making strides would be disastrous for the next Trump campaign. I mean 1 in 500 Americans has died from covid, but what does that matter, right? I heard the single biggest determining statistic for whether a person will receive the vaccine is whether they voted for Trump or not. But don't worry- they're not brainwashed or anything.


The Gavin recall failed miserably because apparently more Americans (Californians at least) are anti-covid than they are pro-covid.

[fusnik]

Since you say you're responding to me - I guess I can answer the accusations above.

I don't want to make liberals responsible for the election of Trump. I do believe the current political climate - which is focused on elections and election cycles and an apparent belief that winning elections is more important than actually legislating and means politicians feel they have to demonize every and anyone on the other side of the aisle - is responsible for the election of Trump.

I'd love to have an election based on issues and a government that is working to find common ground. Our last three presidents (Obama, Trump, and now Biden) have all said they were going to work for unity to bring America together during their campaigns. Bullshit. Liars, all of them.

Both sides do it - I've NEVER said one is innocent. That's all on you - pointing fingers at the other side while ignoring what yours is doing. I've called the "conservatives" and GOP wrong-headed and morons plenty of times. All I'm saying is if we turn every behavior into bad moral behavior - like Mitt putting a dog kennel on the roof of his car and having "binders of women" - then we reach a point that no one cares about the real moral issues - like Trump's business and porn star dealings.

Your continued insistence that anyone who would pick Trump over another candidate only does so due to racism and xenophobia just means you've got your smug and snobby head in the sand and are completely incapable of understanding the concerns conservative people have with the Dem platform. As much as I dislike Trump and don't miss him - I can at least understand how people would prefer some of his policy to that of Biden. Part of the problem is an unwillingness (on both sides) to listen in an effort to understand and find common ground rather than with the intent to respond and tell everyone how shitty the other person and their ideas are.

Trump is a horrible human being and I'm glad he's gone. At the same time, Biden is a dumbass who is not making things better for our country.

As others have said - I'm hopeful that we (and our respective parties) do a better job of giving the American public good candidates in 3 years. I certainly hope that doesn't include Trump - or Biden either, for that matter. The Book of Mormon essentially says that in a democracy we get the elected officials we deserve. I get that the blame is on us, as a whole - and that means me and you. Even if we didn't vote for Trump.

Tucker pulls 3.5 million viewers each night. Tucker openly talks about replacement theory to his massive audience. Any reasonable person knows that replacement theory is white nationalist neo nazi racist BS.

Trump grabbed the reigns of birtherism and nativism and rode it to the GOP nomination. Any reasonable person knows that birtherism was racist and nativism is racist adjacent at best.

Does anyone argue that Trump and Tucker aren’t representing the core of conservative movement?

[frank ryan]

I didn't intend it to be rude, so I apologize for any offense. But you can't deny that you don't exactly see straight on these issues.

Calling someone obssessive for sharing a strong opinion on a board where people routinely share strong opinions is lame. I'm not posting the same thing every 5 posts. This is the most active I've been in months. I find the notion the liberals are to blame for the election of Trump a copout. One that lets the GOP party and rank and file off the hook.
I do see Trump with clearity. I actually have a better track record than most. I thought Trump had a shot at winning, he won. I thought he would be a disaster for the country, he's been worse than than. I worried that he do something awful try to and stay in power. He did. I spectualated that he and his cult members were done damanging the country. They own the GOP, heart and soul.
Sure, I have a strong opinion on Trump, even a strident one, but I'm not wrong.

[Bo Diddley]

I find the notion the liberals are to blame for the election of Trump a copout. One that lets the GOP party and rank and file off the hook.

Totally agree.

I really believe much of our partisan problems can be traced back to Newt Gingrich. He changed things for the worse.

This is a good read:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...elcome/570832/

Oh, the Atlantic leans left? How about NPR talking about that piece here then:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/01/66290...ournalist-says

[old_gregg]

Totally agree.

I really believe much of our partisan problems can be traced back to Newt Gingrich. He changed things for the worse.

This is a good read:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...elcome/570832/

Oh, the Atlantic leans left? How about NPR talking about that piece here then:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/01/66290...ournalist-says

newt is a singularly disgusting person

[Shaka]

Your continued insistence that anyone who would pick Trump over another candidate only does so due to racism and xenophobia just means you've got your smug and snobby head in the sand and are completely incapable of understanding the concerns conservative people have with the Dem platform. As much as I dislike Trump and don't miss him - I can at least understand how people would prefer some of his policy to that of Biden. Part of the problem is an unwillingness (on both sides) to listen in an effort to understand and find common ground rather than with the intent to respond and tell everyone how shitty the other person and their ideas are.

Trump is a horrible human being and I'm glad he's gone. At the same time, Biden is a dumbass who is not making things better for our country.

As others have said - I'm hopeful that we (and our respective parties) do a better job of giving the American public good candidates in 3 years. I certainly hope that doesn't include Trump - or Biden either, for that matter. The Book of Mormon essentially says that in a democracy we get the elected officials we deserve. I get that the blame is on us, as a whole - and that means me and you. Even if we didn't vote for Trump.[/QUOTE]

[fusnik]

Hey I voted for the dude who wanted to have sex with his daughter but the BOM says something so you get to share in the blame!

[Commando]

Your continued insistence that anyone who would pick Trump over another candidate only does so due to racism and xenophobia just means you've got your smug and snobby head in the sand and are completely incapable of understanding the concerns conservative people have with the Dem platform. As much as I dislike Trump and don't miss him - I can at least understand how people would prefer some of his policy to that of Biden. Part of the problem is an unwillingness (on both sides) to listen in an effort to understand and find common ground rather than with the intent to respond and tell everyone how shitty the other person and their ideas are.

Trump is a horrible human being and I'm glad he's gone. At the same time, Biden is a dumbass who is not making things better for our country.

As others have said - I'm hopeful that we (and our respective parties) do a better job of giving the American public good candidates in 3 years. I certainly hope that doesn't include Trump - or Biden either, for that matter. The Book of Mormon essentially says that in a democracy we get the elected officials we deserve. I get that the blame is on us, as a whole - and that means me and you. Even if we didn't vote for Trump.

Beg to differ. I don't agree with every single thing Biden says or does, but it's a LOT easier to help people not get deported. Just getting rid of Stephen Miller and the bunch of white nationalist flunkies Trump had in power has made things exponentially better for our country. Night and day. The fact that prosecutorial discretion in immigration cases was completely taken away under Trump is so alarming and antithetical to justice it makes me angry to even think about and truthfully very resentful of my fellow Americans who don't give a shit about things like this that just throw families into the meat grinder as long as their 'team' stays in power. And the opaque characterization of Biden as 'a dumbass' seems pretty partisan to me. I feel like most of the bland, general criticism toward him of a certain shade has everything to do with the fact he is not a Republican or he is not Donald Trump. When I criticize Joe Biden, and my criticisms are well documented, it does not even approach the kind of criticisms I had for Trump, which were more than deserved. They're barely the same species. Acting like there's even any kind of balancing act that can be applied is too far-fetched for anybody with common sense.

[frank ryan]

I get it Shaka, you don't like me. That's been evident for awhile. That's really the only point of your post I'm understanding. I'm genuinely plesed to learn you didn't vote for Trump in 2020.

[Shaka]

That's really the only point of your post I'm understanding.

Not surprising.

[fusnik]

Totally agree.

I really believe much of our partisan problems can be traced back to Newt Gingrich. He changed things for the worse.

This is a good read:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...elcome/570832/

Oh, the Atlantic leans left? How about NPR talking about that piece here then:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/01/66290...ournalist-says

This has been a talking point of the self reflective anti-Trump conservatives for years. The nationalization of politics that solidified with Newts ‘Contract with America’ ushered in the idea that every election is ‘the most important’ election of our lifetime. It was taken to the extremes with the Flight 93 vote for Trump.

Think about it would anybody here do business with DT? Would anyone leave their daughter or spouse alone with him? Would anyone trust him for advice or with a secret?

But make him the most powerful man in the world? Let’s go!

The reality is this Biden and Bush and Obama and HRC are all good and bad within the normal parameters of good and bad dependent on your political leanings. Trump is in his own universe of bad and rational people still try to justify their support of him in spite of all he did and all we’ve learned. It’s legitimately crazy. We are going to be shackled with Trumpism until a majority of the 75 million folks who pulled the lever for him admit they fucked up.

[Bo Diddley]

This has been a talking point of the self reflective anti-Trump conservatives for years. The nationalization of politics that solidified with Newts ‘Contract with America’ ushered in the idea that every election is ‘the most important’ election of our lifetime. It was taken to the extremes with the Flight 93 vote for Trump.

Think about it would anybody here do business with DT? Would anyone leave their daughter or spouse alone with him? Would anyone trust him for advice or with a secret?

But make him the most powerful man in the world? Let’s go!

The reality is this Biden and Bush and Obama and HRC are all good and bad within the normal parameters of good and bad dependent on your political leanings. Trump is in his own universe of bad and rational people still try to justify their support of him in spite of all he did and all we’ve learned. It’s legitimately crazy. We are going to be shackled with Trumpism until a majority of the 75 million folks who pulled the lever for him admit they fucked up.

This may just be a different way of saying this, but we are going to be shackled with Trumpism until those who follow his blueprint no longer win elections. I doubt 75 million people will recognize the error of their ways, but perhaps enough of them do to tip the scales significantly against the rest. And then when the crazies stop winning elections, they'll have to try a more rational approach.

[falafel]

This has been a talking point of the self reflective anti-Trump conservatives for years. The nationalization of politics that solidified with Newts ‘Contract with America’ ushered in the idea that every election is ‘the most important’ election of our lifetime. It was taken to the extremes with the Flight 93 vote for Trump.

Think about it would anybody here do business with DT? Would anyone leave their daughter or spouse alone with him? Would anyone trust him for advice or with a secret?

But make him the most powerful man in the world? Let’s go!

The reality is this Biden and Bush and Obama and HRC are all good and bad within the normal parameters of good and bad dependent on your political leanings. Trump is in his own universe of bad and rational people still try to justify their support of him in spite of all he did and all we’ve learned. It’s legitimately crazy. We are going to be shackled with Trumpism until a majority of the 75 million folks who pulled the lever for him admit they fucked up.

Yes.

[Eddie]

Hey I voted for the dude who wanted to have sex with his daughter but the BOM says something so you get to share in the blame!

When did Kanye say he wanted to have sex with his daughter?!? This is news to me - I NEVER would've voted for him had I known that.

[myboynoah]

Scary

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