Social Media Outrage/Cancel Culture

[wuapinmon]

The bass riddim in "Stir It Up" is outrageously good!

[swampfrog]

I am not coming out of left field with these ideas. They are not the hilarity creekster suggests they are. A two minute google search can produce a lot of writing on the subject of just how "socialist" the framers of the constitution were. Here's a sampling:

Yes agreed. However from wikipedia:

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.

We have to contend with the fact that the term is loaded and the meaning is not consistent across demographic categories or groups--or even across time. That produces the problem that declaring:

Of course, the very idea of a "federal government" is in fact a socialist idea,

is an ambiguous statement that requires unpacking. Which has now been done. To my reading that was all the original requests were, to disambiguate that statement.

[swampfrog]

As demonstrated here:

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is funny. Distort the definition of socialism significantly beyond what it means today, google a few sources to make this weird argument seem legit, and then mock everyone for disliking socialism.

Btw, many of the founding fathers were also slave owners.

[swampfrog]

This is funny. Distort the definition of socialism significantly beyond what it means today, google a few sources to make this weird argument seem legit, and then mock everyone for disliking socialism.

Btw, many of the founding fathers were also slave owners.

There are many people making these kinds of arguments. I've run into them quite often because of who my kids associate with online and some of my Twitter follows. It would do as all well to step back a bit and try to get at the actual ideas. If nothing else, the myriad of sources does show the word being used in ways inconsistent with current common vernacular. Many of us are less far apart than we think. The world is a confusing place.

[wuapinmon]

Btw, many of the founding fathers were also slave owners.

They also planted clues all over Philadelphia for Nicholas Cage to find.

[Donuthole]

The bass riddim in "Stir It Up" is outrageously good!

[tooblue]

This is funny. Distort the definition of socialism significantly beyond what it means today, google a few sources to make this weird argument seem legit, and then mock everyone for disliking socialism.

Btw, many of the founding fathers were also slave owners.

Talk about a distortion lol ... where's all that precision, and clarity. We all obviously know what Lebowski means when he uses the terms socialism, so I guess it is OK, but then it is followed by playing the victim and claiming he and others are being mocked by mocking the argument?

[tooblue]

Yes agreed. However from wikipedia:



We have to contend with the fact that the term is loaded and the meaning is not consistent across demographic categories or groups--or even across time. That produces the problem that declaring: is an ambiguous statement that requires unpacking. Which has now been done. To my reading that was all the original requests were, to disambiguate that statement.

That definition from wikipedia is based on Marxist theory, which is loaded, but hardly the only consideration. The larger issue is, Marx didn't come up with his theory in a vacuum. It was influenced.

People want to label Bernie a socialist, when really what they should be saying is he is a Marxist, because there is a distinct difference. We are all a bunch of damn socialists.

[wuapinmon]

People want to label Bernie a socialist, when really what they should be saying is he is a Marxist, because there is a distinct difference. We are all a bunch of damn socialists.

If you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Talk about a distortion lol ... where's all that precision, and clarity. We all obviously know what Lebowski means when he uses the terms socialism, so I guess it is OK, but then it is followed by playing the victim and claiming he and others are being mocked by mocking the argument?

Playing the victim? By saying I found the argument funny? Ha. Stop projecting.

[Pelado]

If you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.

So derisive.

[tooblue]

"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."

—Albert Einstein (dang pinko-commie)

[frank ryan]

George Orwell was a socialist. I don't think anyone would call him a communist.

[swampfrog]

That definition from wikipedia is based on Marxist theory, which is loaded, but hardly the only consideration. The larger issue is, Marx didn't come up with his theory in a vacuum. It was influenced.

People want to label Bernie a socialist, when really what they should be saying is he is a Marxist, because there is a distinct difference. We are all a bunch of damn socialists.

That's not how I read the wikipedia entry.

socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.

It's simply stating that whatever the word "Socialism" had meant previously, after the time of Marx, this is the definition that stuck. The definition of words is fluid over time and that obviously creates significant problems. The short video shows the same, socialism is widely believed to be the removal of markets and to replace them with some form of central planning.

I have the same problem with the word "Marriage" in Mormondom, we'd like it to mean something, but the wider world has adopted it for other purposes (including the assignment of citizenship rights). It causes people to talk past one another.