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  • BlueK
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 7195
    #1846
    Originally posted by Commando View Post
    I guess in the end it's easier to say you are cool with him being a POS than denying that he is one- that much is undeniable.
    According to financial records Michael Cohen just provided Congress last week, in 2012 Trump overvalued a property for the purpose of getting a loan from Deutsche Bank. He said it was worth $291 million, when the latest local tax appraisal at the time said it was worth $18 million. Then in 2016 when running for president, on his financial disclosure forms he listed it at $25 million. One of these numbers is not like the others...

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      • wapiti
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 2064
        #1847
        Originally posted by BlueK View Post
        According to financial records Michael Cohen just provided Congress last week, in 2012 Trump overvalued a property for the purpose of getting a loan from Deutsche Bank. He said it was worth $291 million, when the latest local tax appraisal at the time said it was worth $18 million. Then in 2016 when running for president, on his financial disclosure forms he listed it at $25 million. One of these numbers is not like the others...
        Why didn't you note that it was on a loan application that went no where?

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          • BlueK
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 7195
            #1848
            Originally posted by wapiti View Post
            Why didn't you note that it was on a loan application that went no where?
            How is that even relevant? Knowingly providing false info on a loan app is illegal even if you don't get the loan.
            Last edited by BlueK; 03-06-2019, 03:51 PM.

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              • wapiti
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2012
                • 2064
                #1849
                Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                How is that even relevant? Knowingly providing false info on a loan app is illegal even if you don't get the loan.
                The problem is this one doesn't pass the smell test. Real estate values on loan applications are heavily scrutinized. A $20MM properly listed at $291MM? If Trump was really pulling a fast one on Deutsche Bank, why didn't they go after him for it? Yet here you are trumpeting it as evidence Trump is a criminal. To me, that was evidence that Cohen is a blowhard.

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                  • falafel
                    loves to talk on things
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 37996
                    #1850
                    Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                    According to financial records Michael Cohen just provided Congress last week, in 2012 Trump overvalued a property for the purpose of getting a loan from Deutsche Bank. He said it was worth $291 million, when the latest local tax appraisal at the time said it was worth $18 million. Then in 2016 when running for president, on his financial disclosure forms he listed it at $25 million. One of these numbers is not like the others...
                    Fair market value and tax assessment value are not equivalent. Assessment values are often much lower than fair market.

                    But of course, $291M to $18M is a pretty wide discrepancy.... Maybe $18M was the land only.
                    Last edited by falafel; 03-06-2019, 04:58 PM.
                    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                      • BlueK
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 7195
                        #1851
                        Originally posted by wapiti View Post
                        The problem is this one doesn't pass the smell test. Real estate values on loan applications are heavily scrutinized. A $20MM properly listed at $291MM? If Trump was really pulling a fast one on Deutsche Bank, why didn't they go after him for it? Yet here you are trumpeting it as evidence Trump is a criminal. To me, that was evidence that Cohen is a blowhard.
                        So you're saying you think it's more likely Cohen falsified the records he presented to Congress? It's just funny that Trump is involved but it's someone else who is more likely to be the blowhard.

                        Also, Deutsche Bank has their own legal problems as the feds have gone after them hard in recent years for their money laundering activities. Maybe they didn't think it was worth it to get mixed up in the US legal system over it.
                        Last edited by BlueK; 03-06-2019, 05:00 PM.

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                          • wapiti
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 2064
                            #1852
                            Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                            So you're saying you think it's more likely Cohen falsified the records he presented to Congress? It's just funny that Trump is involved but it's someone else who is more likely to be the blowhard.

                            Also, Deutsche Bank has their own legal problems as the feds have gone after them hard in recent years for their money laundering activities. Maybe they didn't think it was worth it to get mixed up in the US legal system over it.
                            It's a bizarre claim by a blowhard about a blowhard that may or may not have been a crime but it ultimately had no victim and is probably past the statute of limitations. Whatever. If you want to say Trump is a criminal, fine. But find something better to back it up.

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                              • Pelado
                                Bald not naked
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 21148
                                #1853
                                Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                                According to financial records Michael Cohen just provided Congress last week, in 2012 Trump overvalued a property for the purpose of getting a loan from Deutsche Bank. He said it was worth $291 million, when the latest local tax appraisal at the time said it was worth $18 million. Then in 2016 when running for president, on his financial disclosure forms he listed it at $25 million. One of these numbers is not like the others...
                                Originally posted by wapiti View Post
                                The problem is this one doesn't pass the smell test. Real estate values on loan applications are heavily scrutinized. A $20MM properly listed at $291MM? If Trump was really pulling a fast one on Deutsche Bank, why didn't they go after him for it? Yet here you are trumpeting it as evidence Trump is a criminal. To me, that was evidence that Cohen is a blowhard.
                                If Deutsche Bank didn't extend credit to him, then why would "they" have gone after him for the purported fraud? Not sure who you mean by "they". Deutsche didn't lose anything on the deal, so Deutsche doesn't really benefit from reporting it and/or assisting in the prosecution.
                                "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                                - Goatnapper'96

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                                  • Walter Sobchak
                                    Adventurer
                                    • Oct 2009
                                    • 3815
                                    #1854
                                    Originally posted by wapiti View Post
                                    It's a bizarre claim by a blowhard about a blowhard that may or may not have been a crime but it ultimately had no victim and is probably past the statute of limitations. Whatever. If you want to say Trump is a criminal, fine. But find something better to back it up.
                                    Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                                    If Deutsche Bank didn't extend credit to him, then why would "they" have gone after him for the purported fraud? Not sure who you mean by "they". Deutsche didn't lose anything on the deal, so Deutsche doesn't really benefit from reporting it and/or assisting in the prosecution.
                                    Two apologists for Putin. Not sure how can live with yourselves.
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                                      • Jarid in Cedar
                                        CS Institutional Memory
                                        • Jun 2009
                                        • 13234
                                        #1855
                                        Trump exaggerating about the size of something... Shocking
                                        "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

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                                          • Commando
                                            Explosivo
                                            • Feb 2009
                                            • 20748
                                            #1856
                                            How is Trump any less of a criminal than the guy from the Fyre Festival who is sitting in jail right now? Some of you with the Cheeto breath are killing me in here...
                                            "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                                              • Pelado
                                                Bald not naked
                                                • Sep 2010
                                                • 21148
                                                #1857
                                                Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                                                Two apologists for Putin. Not sure how can live with yourselves.
                                                I thought I was explaining why Trump's (alleged) fraud would have gone unprosecuted. Didn't realize I was covering for Putin.
                                                "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                                                - Goatnapper'96

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                                                  • Walter Sobchak
                                                    Adventurer
                                                    • Oct 2009
                                                    • 3815
                                                    #1858
                                                    Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                                                    Didn't realize I was covering for Putin.
                                                    Trump/Putin apologists rarely do. BlueK or frank will connect the dots for you... don't you worry.
                                                    You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
                                                    Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

                                                    Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
                                                    You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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                                                      • Pelado
                                                        Bald not naked
                                                        • Sep 2010
                                                        • 21148
                                                        #1859
                                                        Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                                                        Trump/Putin apologists rarely do. BlueK or frank will connect the dots for you... don't you worry.
                                                        I wasn't worried.
                                                        "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                                                        - Goatnapper'96

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                                                          • Walter Sobchak
                                                            Adventurer
                                                            • Oct 2009
                                                            • 3815
                                                            #1860
                                                            Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                                                            I wasn't worried.
                                                            Playing it cool. I dig. So are you pouring the Vodka, or am I?
                                                            You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
                                                            Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

                                                            Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
                                                            You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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