President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Jeff Lebowski]

I used logic to explore why your claim is bullshit. That's not sophistry Dude. Your assumptions are just based on faulty premises. Liberals aren't more in favor of violence.

Feel free not to celebrate the 250th anniversary of using violence in support of political objectives.

You didn’t answer my questions.

So is your argument that young liberals just have a greater understanding of the long arc of history and are referencing these rare moments like the US revolution when they answer these polls? That’s an amazing take.

[dabrockster]

I used logic to explore why your claim is bullshit. That's not sophistry Dude. Your assumptions are just based on faulty premises. Liberals aren't more in favor of violence.

Feel free not to celebrate the 250th anniversary of using violence in support of political objectives.

Your logic is full of shit when you try and compare what is taking place now to what took place in 1776. It is a twisted liberal ideology to justify killings of innocent people and attempts to asassinate a President based solely on hatred. There is nothing taking place now even remotely comparable to the founding fathers and the intellectual efforts taken to find solutions to then be driven to war for our country.

Stop cloaking your distorted support of such actions in what this country was built on to what has taken place now..

These current actions are not built on the souls of men with integrity. History will treat them as they are. Evil men consumed by hatred for a single person and not a vision of a country or noble cause. You are much brighter than this argument.

[YOhio]

Here's the supposed "threat" that scared Trump so bad.

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Here's something to think about. Maybe Comey was subliminally programming the 6-7 phenomenon. If that's indeed the case then maybe he should go to jail.

[Bo Diddley]

Why is six afraid of seven?

Spoiler for answer:

Because seven eight nine.

[Maximus]

Your logic is full of shit when you try and compare what is taking place now to what took place in 1776. It is a twisted liberal ideology to justify killings of innocent people and attempts to asassinate a President based solely on hatred. There is nothing taking place now even remotely comparable to the founding fathers and the intellectual efforts taken to find solutions to then be driven to war for our country.

Stop cloaking your distorted support of such actions in what this country was built on to what has taken place now..

These current actions are not built on the souls of men with integrity. History will treat them as they are. Evil men consumed by hatred for a single person and not a vision of a country or noble cause. You are much brighter than this argument.

you do knw trump is an immoral evil man right?

[LVAllen]

Your logic is full of shit when you try and compare what is taking place now to what took place in 1776. It is a twisted liberal ideology to justify killings of innocent people and attempts to asassinate a President based solely on hatred. There is nothing taking place now even remotely comparable to the founding fathers and the intellectual efforts taken to find solutions to then be driven to war for our country.

Stop cloaking your distorted support of such actions in what this country was built on to what has taken place now..

These current actions are not built on the souls of men with integrity. History will treat them as they are. Evil men consumed by hatred for a single person and not a vision of a country or noble cause. You are much brighter than this argument.

Funny. Did I do that? No, I did not. I have not said that our situation today is equal to that of Americans in the 1770s. However, our situation today is not the only situation that exists, has ever existed, will ever exist, or is the case in other places.

Is violence ever justified? Yes, it is. You yourself were calling for Iranian revolution. Did you mean pamphleteering? Does that mean that violence is justified in the US, today? No. Go ahead and show me where I said it is.

Red Front Fighters League and the Iron Front against the Nazis. Nelson Mandela's MK attacking government posts and burning crops in the fight against apartheid. Euromaidan. Was violence justified in any of these instances?

So when someone asks "are citizens ever justified in resorting to violence to achieve political objectives" the only reason I can think of to answer No is a lack of imagination/historical awareness.

It should be rare that violence is resorted to. It should not happen at all in free and democratic societies. The greater the repression, the less democratic the society is or becomes, the greater the likelihood that justified violence will occur.

[LVAllen]

Why is six afraid of seven?

Spoiler for answer:

Because seven eight nine.

But why did seven eat nine?

Spoiler for answer:

He wanted 3 squared meals a day.

[LVAllen]

You didn’t answer my questions.

So is your argument that young liberals just have a greater understanding of the long arc of history and are referencing these rare moments like the US revolution when they answer these polls? That’s an amazing take.

Right, because who can possibly claim that liberals are more likely to have more formal education, more exposure to diverse cultures, or a broader worldview?

When I'm asked to answer a question with an absolute word included like never, ever, always, must, etc., mental alarm bells start ringing. My mind goes to situations in which the statement can be untrue. If it is untrue in one instance, the absolute qualifier makes the entire statement untrue. My situation isn't unique. That's a test-taking skill we teach to kids because it's an important lesson in logic.

In this instance, are you saying you can't conceive of a single instance that has ever occurred or that may yet occur that justifies a citizen (US or not) resorting to violence to achieve political objectives?

[Moliere]

Violence was justified in the American revolution. Violence isn’t justified because you have to give up European vacations because your health insurance premiums aren’t being subsidized as much anymore.

[Omaha 680]

Right, because who can possibly claim that liberals are more likely to have more formal education, more exposure to diverse cultures, or a broader worldview?

When I'm asked to answer a question with an absolute word included like never, ever, always, must, etc., mental alarm bells start ringing. My mind goes to situations in which the statement can be untrue. If it is untrue in one instance, the absolute qualifier makes the entire statement untrue. My situation isn't unique. That's a test-taking skill we teach to kids because it's an important lesson in logic.

In this instance, are you saying you can't conceive of a single instance that has ever occurred or that may yet occur that justifies a citizen (US or not) resorting to violence to achieve political objectives?

Ok maybe the poll question needs to be more explicit to avoid all the philosophizing by the young left-leaning citizens of the world that are responding. It could be clarified to ask if political violence is ever justified in the context of the current US political climate, policies, and laws. The moral answer to this question is a resounding NO. This NO remains regardless of how morally repugnant Trump and his movement have become as long as we still have the ability to kick his ass out or change the policies we don't like at the ballot box. The constitution will do the former and we abosolutely still have the ability to do the latter. Now I am speculating but I think a very large majority of respondents were thinking of it in the way I presented above: as a question about the morality of political violence in 2026 America. If that is true the responses are a bit jarring.

When we go around in circles like this and start saying "Yes, violence is wrong, BUT..." nothing before the word "but" means anything. It sounds like the Jew haters justifying October 7th while civilian Jewish corpses were still warm.

[Copelius]

Violence was justified in the American revolution. Violence isn’t justified because you have to give up European vacations because your health insurance premiums aren’t being subsidized as much anymore.

[Northwestcoug]

Man LVA is taking a lot of heat on this one. And come on, he isn’t advocating anything that some are claiming he is. In a country that for generations has justified nearly unfettered gun ownership as a bulwark against political oppression, he’s stating some uncomfortable facts.

For the sake of argument let’s say young liberals are not just philosophically but practically supportive of violence to enact political change. Is there any current comparison to the MAGA right, who just 6 years ago used organized violence to enact political change? Because even if their numbers are small and they might not be represented in that poll, they sure are relatively punching above their weight. And they’re sanctioned by those in the very highest levels of government.

[frank ryan]

Violence was justified in the American revolution. Violence isn’t justified because you have to give up European vacations because your health insurance premiums aren’t being subsidized as much anymore.

That's a simplification. There's a lot folks struggling because of Trump's fuckery with the AFA.

[LVAllen]

It could be clarified to ask if political violence is ever justified in the context of the current US political climate, policies, and laws. The moral answer to this question is a resounding NO.

I agree.

This NO remains regardless of how morally repugnant Trump and his movement have become

I agree.

as long as we still have the ability to kick his ass out or change the policies we don't like at the ballot box.

And there's the exception that prevents the absolute prohibition. So you can accept that there may be hypothetical circumstances in the future which may justify violence. There's a remote possibility that violence could be justified, that possibility being an inability to kick his ass out (the Constitution is not self-executing) or change the policies. Got it. Basically, we agree.

[YOhio]

Right, because who can possibly claim that liberals are more likely to have more formal education, more exposure to diverse cultures, or a broader worldview?

That's an interesting point and it does seem, at least according to this survey, that Americans with more education are more prone to support political violence. The author of the tweet, Rob Henderson, argues that the educated/affluent are more likely to promote political violence as a luxury belief because it confers upon them social status while being protected from the outcomes.

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