President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[frank ryan]

Trump “Charity” Exposed As Elaborate Scheme To Make Golf Debts Go Away
New York prosecutors have accused the president and his kids of “persistently illegal conduct” related to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.

According to the suit filed by Underwood, who took over the A.G.’s office after her predecessor, Eric Schneiderman, resigned over abuse allegations, the Trump Foundation “was little more than a checkbook for payments to not-for-profits from Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization.” Here’s a taste of the allegations regarding how the family charity misappropriated its funds:

$5,000 was used to advertise Trump Hotels;

$10,000 was spent on a portrait of the president, later found on display at the the sports bar at Trump’s Doral golf resort;

$100,000 was allegedly used to settle a legal dispute with the city of Palm Beach, which Trump resolved by contributing the amount to the Fisher House Foundation;

$258,000 was allegedly used to settle lawsuits against Trump and his businesses, including $158,000 paid to a man named Martin Greenberg, who sued the Trump National Golf Club after it failed to pay him a promised $1 million for scoring a hole-in-one at a charity golf tournament

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...dation-lawsuit

[BlueK]

Trump “Charity” Exposed As Elaborate Scheme To Make Golf Debts Go Away
New York prosecutors have accused the president and his kids of “persistently illegal conduct” related to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.




https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...dation-lawsuit

Trump is shady and breaking laws governing charities? Wow, who knew. The funny thing is even his most ardent supporters know he's always been shady. They just don't care.

[Uncle Ted]

The Drumpf administration is saying that immigrants are kidnapping kids so they can get processed and released faster...

Illegal immigrants kidnapping children to sneak into U.S. as 'family units,' feds say

Illegal immigrants are kidnapping children and bringing them across the border, hoping to appear to be families so they can take advantage of lax enforcement policies, the Obama administration told a federal appeals court this week.


Leon Fresco, a deputy assistant attorney general who handles immigration cases, made the stunning claim as he defended the administration’s policy of detaining illegal immigrant parents and children caught traveling together as they jump the border. After a federal judge last year ordered the families quickly released, Mr. Fresco said it’s served as an enticement for kidnapping.

“When people now know that when I come as a family unit, I won’t be apprehended and detained — we now have people being abducted so that they can be deemed as family units, so that they can avoid detention,” Mr. Fresco told the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
[...]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...n-to-sneak-in/

Oh wait, it was the Obama administration that was saying that... never mind.

[creekster]

Trump “Charity” Exposed As Elaborate Scheme To Make Golf Debts Go Away
New York prosecutors have accused the president and his kids of “persistently illegal conduct” related to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.




https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...dation-lawsuit

This has to be one of the least surprising revelations ever revealed. I have no doubt that this is accurate at some level and maybe completely.

[BlueK]

This has to be one of the least surprising revelations ever revealed. I have no doubt that this is accurate at some level and maybe completely.

but no one cares. We know who we elected. It's baked into the cake.

[creekster]

but no one cares. We know who we elected. It's baked into the cake.

I don't think it means that none of his supporters care. I think the fact that Trump's detractors are so convinced that this is what it means shows why they fail to grasp the conditions that led to his election. I think it means that Many of his supports/voters were so sick and tired of the status quo, including the corruption they believed was systemic and rampant, that they were willing to try almost ANYTHING else to see if it could make a difference. Most of the people that I have talked to that voted for Trump see him for what he is, but they also see him as just a showy version of what the others already are. Trump creates a charity to cover golf debts. Clinton creates a foundation and sells influence. Is Trump really worse? Or does he just look worse? Its like the movie Caddyshack. The Judge was all about appearance and decorum but was corrupt and rotten to the core. Dangerfield was loud and abrasive and obnoxious but at least he was different and predictable in his loutishness. Did somebody step on a duck?

[BlueK]

I don't think it means that none of his supporters care. I think the fact that Trump's detractors are so convinced that this is what it means shows why they fail to grasp the conditions that led to his election. I think it means that Many of his supports/voters were so sick and tired of the status quo, including the corruption they believed was systemic and rampant, that they were willing to try almost ANYTHING else to see if it could make a difference. Most of the people that I have talked to that voted for Trump see him for what he is, but they also see him as just a showy version of what the others already are. Trump creates a charity to cover golf debts. Clinton creates a foundation and sells influence. Is Trump really worse? Or does he just look worse? Its like the movie Caddyshack. The Judge was all about appearance and decorum but was corrupt and rotten to the core. Dangerfield was loud and abrasive and obnoxious but at least he was different and predictable in his loutishness. Did somebody step on a duck?

There were rumors about Clinton's foundation and there could have been some shadiness going on there with it. But what has come out about Trump's recently seems much more likely to be blatantly illegal. And Michael Cohen was definitely trying to sell influence. Several companies have taken a PR hit over it. All the stuff Trump made campaign issues about Clinton are things he has done himself, including his people in the white house using personal email for government business. It would be a little less brazen if Trump hadn't made the Clinton stuff such a feature of his campaign along with his own shady characters like Michael Flynn leading the crowd in "lock her up" chants.

[creekster]

There were rumors about Clinton's foundation and there could have been some shadiness going on there with it. But what has come out about Trump's recently seems much more likely to be blatantly illegal. And Michael Cohen was definitely trying to sell influence. All the stuff Trump made campaign issues about Clinton are things he has done himself, including his people in the white house using personal email for government business.

Yes. As I conceded. And there was a lot more than just a rumor about some shadiness going with the Clinton Foundation. It's pretty bad, IMO, by almost any measure.

[Eddie]

Yes. As I conceded. And there was a lot more than just a rumor about some shadiness going with the Clinton Foundation. It's pretty bad, IMO, by almost any measure.

When the Clinton's tell us they left office $16M in debt, and now have a net worth around $55M - in spite of holding no position outside of government that I'm aware of, I think you could call their finances shady.

I think Creekster is right. It's not that Trump's supporters don't care about him being corrupt. They just figure so is everyone else, and he's no different. So what's the big deal?

The Dems point out prominent Reps who are cheating on taxes, or their wife, or their campaign financing, or their charitable organizations, or a variety of lobbyists and special interests. Then the Reps do the same, pointing out prominent Dem cheats. And the mainstream voters just figure they're all corrupt. Now they're pointing fingers at Trump - but they're all just hypocrites doing the same and worse themselves.

I think one of the differences is that Trump has done a good job selling the narrative that unlike other politicians, he didn't get rich from public office. He got rich from business. And these other corrupt politicians got rich from being corrupt in office. Of course, he conveniently leaves out that he's one of the guys who made those corrupt politicians wealthy through his own corruption to help enrich himself via his business ventures.

[Northwestcoug]

Yes. As I conceded. And there was a lot more than just a rumor about some shadiness going with the Clinton Foundation. It's pretty bad, IMO, by almost any measure.

I don’t even pretend to fully understand the argument against the Clinton Foundation. But according to the librul media, it’s a hyped up scandal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...on-foundation/

[Uncle Ted]

When the Clinton's tell us they left office $16M in debt, and now have a net worth around $55M - in spite of holding no position outside of government that I'm aware of, I think you could call their finances shady.

I think Creekster is right. It's not that Trump's supporters don't care about him being corrupt. They just figure so is everyone else, and he's no different. So what's the big deal?

The Dems point out prominent Reps who are cheating on taxes, or their wife, or their campaign financing, or their charitable organizations, or a variety of lobbyists and special interests. Then the Reps do the same, pointing out prominent Dem cheats. And the mainstream voters just figure they're all corrupt. Now they're pointing fingers at Trump - but they're all just hypocrites doing the same and worse themselves.

I think one of the differences is that Trump has done a good job selling the narrative that unlike other politicians, he didn't get rich from public office. He got rich from business. And these other corrupt politicians got rich from being corrupt in office. Of course, he conveniently leaves out that he's one of the guys who made those corrupt politicians wealthy through his own corruption to help enrich himself via his business ventures.

Yeah, the economy is doing very well and we have full employment so who cares... The only thing that derail this train is something like a trade war. (Oh sh*t!)

[Crockett]

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The left is starting to go too far. Time to reel it back a bit Ms Waters.

[Commando]

lol yeah it's the democrats who make a great comparison to nazis, not Trump's authoritarian renaissance...

[Eddie]

lol yeah it's the democrats who make a great comparison to nazis, not Trump's authoritarian renaissance...

We live in some really really weird times.

In some ways it feels like the Dems have some influential power. It isn't Dems getting shouted down or kicked out of restaurants and being refused service. At least not that I'm aware of. And not in a semi-organized way in which political leaders are encouraging it to happen. I mean, I get that they don't have the numbers to pass laws on their own or set agendas or policy. But they have a lot of clout due to a strong voice in the media and a connection with a large portion of the population that is willing to take some form of action.

Yet clearly Trump/Reps are wielding a great deal of power as well. They just don't have quite the numbers as far as people willing to show up for a protest or counter protest. They can set the agenda and dictate policy, but are somewhat held hostage by the sentiment of the populous who is willing to show up and make noise.

It's going to be an interesting ride. I hope somewhere along this roller coaster someone shows up with a semblance of common sense and reason. Because I'm not seeing it out of either political party at this point.

[BlueK]

We live in some really really weird times.

In some ways it feels like the Dems have some influential power. It isn't Dems getting shouted down or kicked out of restaurants and being refused service. At least not that I'm aware of. And not in a semi-organized way in which political leaders are encouraging it to happen. I mean, I get that they don't have the numbers to pass laws on their own or set agendas or policy. But they have a lot of clout due to a strong voice in the media and a connection with a large portion of the population that is willing to take some form of action.

Yet clearly Trump/Reps are wielding a great deal of power as well. They just don't have quite the numbers as far as people willing to show up for a protest or counter protest. They can set the agenda and dictate policy, but are somewhat held hostage by the sentiment of the populous who is willing to show up and make noise.

It's going to be an interesting ride. I hope somewhere along this roller coaster someone shows up with a semblance of common sense and reason. Because I'm not seeing it out of either political party at this point.

In a way it is because our constitution over represents the rural areas and smaller states which tend to be more conservative and Republican.