President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Commando]

I'm not asking you to do so. I'm just saying that he is President and is empowered to do what he is doing. And that giving the courts a role in security policy is not a good precedent to set.

Sadly, elections have consequences.

Yeah he does- but not carte blanche. He just can't subjectively say he thinks there's a threat.

[myboynoah]

Yeah he does- but not carte blanche. He just can't subjectively say he thinks there's a threat.

Actually he can, and can act on it, just like any other President. I have no doubt that there is intelligence pointing to those countries as threats. That is his justification.

[byu71]

Agreed. What a crazy place to plant the Dem flag.

I just heard a commentator on CNN say that this vote will stick with those voting to confirm for a long time. Really? Unless Devos is a total disaster, no one will care in 6 months.

The dems from the beginning indicated they wanted to take 2-3 of the cabinet designees down. Said it even before they heard from them. As the process moved along Devos became the easiest target. If 1 or 2 others had big problems, they would have left her alone. It isn't about the candidate it is about showing the base you are trying to stall and cause harm to the new administration.

Why do they announce ahead of time, like McConnell did? They want failure. Looks like they aren't pulling for America to do well but their own power base to do well.

[creekster]

Yeah he does- but not carte blanche. He just can't subjectively say he thinks there's a threat.

But weren't these seven nations designated as specific terror threats by the Obama admin? So the question isnt if they present a threat (and saying we have to wait until they actually commit an attack is ludicrous) it is a question over the proper response. Few think his response is proper but it seems to me it is his role to decide that.

[creekster]

Agreed. What a crazy place to plant the Dem flag.

I just heard a commentator on CNN say that this vote will stick with those voting to confirm for a long time. Really? Unless Devos is a total disaster, no one will care in 6 months.

A guy on NPR said the dems felt like this might be the only chance they have for a win and need to have something to give their base.

[Commando]

But weren't these seven nations designated as specific terror threats by the Obama admin? So the question isnt if they present a threat (and saying we have to wait until they actually commit an attack is ludicrous) it is a question over the proper response. Few think his response is proper but it seems to me it is his role to decide that.

Is that the same thing as halting visa applications and refugee status? How does that combat a terror threat to or within those countries? Trump likes to blow the horn of "extreme vetting," but it is clear he is unfamiliar with the process and there is no real pathway to resuming visa applications for those foreign nationals if the order is upheld. It is 120 days AND those country's governments must comply or demonstrate they can deliver acceptable vetting of visa applicants, whatever that means. That's pretty clear that if you're from Iran, now is the time to GTFO before this thing becomes law and doesn't go away until Trump is gone. America first, huh?

[New Mexican Disaster]

Agreed. What a crazy place to plant the Dem flag.

I just heard a commentator on CNN say that this vote will stick with those voting to confirm for a long time. Really? Unless Devos is a total disaster, no one will care in 6 months.

Teachers will care.

[Commando]

But weren't these seven nations designated as specific terror threats by the Obama admin? So the question isnt if they present a threat (and saying we have to wait until they actually commit an attack is ludicrous) it is a question over the proper response. Few think his response is proper but it seems to me it is his role to decide that.

I'm wondering where the threat is coming from. Refugees? Vetted entrants with valid visas? Who is pouring in that Trump is worried about that he signed this order? Those are the questions he can't answer acceptably.

[byu71]

I'm wondering where the threat is coming from. Refugees? Vetted entrants with valid visas? Who is pouring in that Trump is worried about that he signed this order? Those are the questions he can't answer acceptably.

I can't speak for Trump, but my fear is yes could slip through the refugee program and vetted visas. There have been enough credible people questionning the current vetting that I would like to see some hard asses, like Kelly look at it instead of the more sensitive folks like Pres. Obama and Kerry.

They could get here and not do anything for years. During that time they could recruit. Now, I don't really fear for myself or friends or family that much. None of them live in an area that would be a prime target. So for humantarian sakes, let's be a great country and if it costs us some citizens, well there are always trade offs.

[Topper]

I can't speak for Trump, but my fear is yes could slip through the refugee program and vetted visas. There have been enough credible people questionning the current vetting that I would like to see some hard asses, like Kelly look at it instead of the more sensitive folks like Pres. Obama and Kerry.

They could get here and not do anything for years. During that time they could recruit. Now, I don't really fear for myself or friends or family that much. None of them live in an area that would be a prime target. So for humantarian sakes, let's be a great country and if it costs us some citizens, well there are always trade offs.

I don't have that much fear from terrorists. Perhaps I am naive, but the costs and expenses are significant. If a long range plan is in the works, it is more likely from Russia or China, not Iran.

[Commando]

I can't speak for Trump, but my fear is yes could slip through the refugee program and vetted visas. There have been enough credible people questionning the current vetting that I would like to see some hard asses, like Kelly look at it instead of the more sensitive folks like Pres. Obama and Kerry.

They could get here and not do anything for years. During that time they could recruit. Now, I don't really fear for myself or friends or family that much. None of them live in an area that would be a prime target. So for humantarian sakes, let's be a great country and if it costs us some citizens, well there are always trade offs.

lol. No bigger hardass in U.S. history than Obama when it comes to immigration. Fact. But record deportations aside...

Obama's "ban" Kelly Conway brought up was actually when he added 2 additional background checks to refugees from Iraq after finding 2 refugees with Al Quaeda contacts. The whole thing ground to a halt for 6 months until they got caught up on applications. They're pretty thorough. I don't know who's questioning the vetting process aside from Trump and Steve Bannon.

[creekster]

Is that the same thing as halting visa applications and refugee status? How does that combat a terror threat to or within those countries? Trump likes to blow the horn of "extreme vetting," but it is clear he is unfamiliar with the process and there is no real pathway to resuming visa applications for those foreign nationals if the order is upheld. It is 120 days AND those country's governments must comply or demonstrate they can deliver acceptable vetting of visa applicants, whatever that means. That's pretty clear that if you're from Iran, now is the time to GTFO before this thing becomes law and doesn't go away until Trump is gone. America first, huh?

Don't misunderstand; I think the policy, especially as rolled out, was a very bad idea. But that's not the same as saying he can't do it. Like I said before, I don't know the law here and LS was a long time ago. But that's how it seems to me.

[Walter Sobchak]

Teachers will care.

Teachers didn't seem to like President Obama's guy much. Tough crowd I guess.

[BlueK]

Rudy Giuliani January 29th on Fox saying this was meant to be a legal way to do a Muslim ban:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/0...lim-ban/215163

[creekster]

I'm wondering where the threat is coming from. Refugees? Vetted entrants with valid visas? Who is pouring in that Trump is worried about that he signed this order? Those are the questions he can't answer acceptably.

While I understand his own statements cause him trouble on some legal positions, I think many are failing to separate Trump's absurd and over the top statements from the language of the EO itself. The threat from residents of the designated nations (all identified as terrorist nations before Trump took office) might come from all of the above. Further, Trump doesn't need to provide acceptable answers to you or me or even to the courts for much of this. It just has to be within his authority.