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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski
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i've heard welders just keep their subscriptions to WSJ, WaPo and NYT all the way through. but as EJ said, we can't all be welders. we need teachers, lawyers and accountants too.I'm like LeBron James.
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There should be a name for this, something like the report more on what's important to me fallacy. We all suffer from it. But by and large traditional news media does a good job reporting news. They're not usually ignoring news because it runs counter to their ideology or amplifying something because they're activists. And there is certainly not a conspiracy to withhold 'truth' on things like inflationary policy or anti-semitism. For instance, the NYT has reported on the latter just as much as they have reported on the plight of Gazans in the war. By and large, it's balanced.Originally posted by Moliere View Post
I have no doubt that conservatives would say the exact same thing about liberals, that they don’t deal in a world of facts and truth. That they aren’t smart and that academia and media would be better served to have a conservative tilt.
We all knew that inflation want transitory but it seemed only the WSJ didn’t toe the liberal line on that one. We all knew “defund the police” was a horrible policy but it got amplified in the Times and Post. We all knew anti-semitism is rampant in colleges and throughout the left but still, even yesterday, the Times can’t even bear to think and write about it.
The liberal media has missed so many facts over the years that I have no interest in reading what they write. I’m a die hard WSJ subscriber (don’t worry, I don’t read the editorials) since they seem to at least try to report facts instead of talking points.
Yes the majority of journalists are left-leaning (even the ones at WSJ no doubt) and that can color the way they see the world. Their reporting can reflect that bias, but outside of opinion pages most of reporting I see on NYT and others is pretty straightforward.
I did that for awhile. But for whatever reason the last time I subscribed to NYT I wanted access to the food section without paying their official price. No diceOriginally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
I did WaPo for awhile. They've had really good Black Friday sales for the upcoming years. But I let that one lapse last year.
"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
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You're right. I tried, and I couldn't.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post"The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuaneComment
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I realize there are serious, thoughtful thinkers on the right, as well as serious right-leaning publications. I used to subscribe to The National Review, and though I no longer consider myself part of their audience, I still respect the publication and its journalistic integrity. The problem is that serious journalists and journals on the right are not part of the current conservative political movement. How many in today's political right don't look at the National Review as just a bunch of tired RINOs trying to help Joe Biden end democracy? I'm sure Trump doesn't consider the National Review an ally, and right now Donald Trump is the face of the political right. I welcome serious dialog with those on the right, I just don't know where to find it.Originally posted by USUC View Post"The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuaneComment
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That happened to me too. I subscribe to NYT, and I saw a link to recipe in the NYT food section that I wanted to look at. Nope! Your subscription gives you access to news, but if you want to know how to make braciole, you gotta kick in a little something extra.Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
I did that for awhile. But for whatever reason the last time I subscribed to NYT I wanted access to the food section without paying their official price. No dice
I did WaPo for awhile. They've had really good Black Friday sales for the upcoming years. But I let that one lapse last year."The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuaneComment
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It still exists, but you make a decent point that the MAGA crowd drowns out the true conservative voices. I don’t think it’s as bad as you say, but it’s definitely a problem.Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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I guess i view outlets like the National Review, the Dispatch, or the Weekly Standard (RIP) as more akin to the New Republic or Mother Jones. Only a select portion of the respective bases read them while almost everyone is exposed to CNN, ABC news, WP, etc.Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
Maybe another difficult part of having this conversation is a differing definition of terms. Based on the definition of conservatism that we have known since the Regan era, the MAGA movement, and Trump and his personality cult specifically, are not particularly conservative. Thus the plurality of the modern day GOP base is more populist/nationalist than conservative. Trump brought in a bunch of traditional non voters who love his grift, but lost a lot of traditional conservatives. They may agree with the media narrative that Trump is bad, but are frustrated that the policy coverage is framed heavily through the liberal lens. However, I understand the Republicans lack of policy and focus on grievance takes up a lot of the media's space.Comment
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I sometimes wonder what the political landscape would look like if MAGA formed its own party. If Trump loses in 2024, I'm certain that Trump's narcissistic impulses will tempt him to rebrand the party in his own image. I think he tries to create the MAGA party. If that happens, what do the more traditional republicans do? I don't think there is enough political integrity on the right for them to risk remaining with the legacy GOP. And for those who think I'm crazy for thinking this might actually happen, bookmark this post and come back to me in two or three years.Originally posted by frank ryan View Post"The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuaneComment
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I don't doubt that Trump will continue to be a cancer within the GOP for years to come.Originally posted by Non Sequitur View PostComment
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lol the GOP is ALREADY the Party of Trump. If you're not ready to do whatever Trump says-- take a hike. Trump already talks about the others running for office as 'disloyal Republicans.' What the fuck? For real. Disloyal to the Trump Cult, he means? Oh-- the Republican Party IS the Trump Cult. Anybody still deluded on that point?"I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"Comment
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Let's just suppose that for some reason Haley or someone wins the nomination (bear with me - I know it is highly unlikely). Trump would then denounce the person and the MAGA cult would not vote. Similarly, MAGA loyalty ensure that a Trump endorsement can help an R candidate win a nomination even though it may kill their chances in the general election. In other words, as long as Trump is alive, he has the republican party in a death grip. He is a destructive force unlike anything we have seen in US politics.Originally posted by Commando View Post"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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This article has some good thoughts on how MAGA voters would vote/act if Trump were gone:Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/b...d-lowercase-a/
(Might be behind a paywall. Despite my bleeding heart, I still resonate with the columnist formerly known as Allahpundit. Depending on how long Trump remains a force in the GOP I might be paying him a long time.)"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUteComment
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In light of the recent discussion in this thread about media bias, here is a very long but excellent read from James Bennett, former Opinion editor of the New York Times who was forced to resign after the Tom Cotton editorial was published:
When the New York Times lost its way
America’s media should do more to equip readers to think for themselves
https://www.economist.com/1843/2023/...s-lost-its-way
If you can read the whole thing and still conclude that the mainstream media, of which the New York Times is the very personification, does not have major liberal bias, and even worse, "[metastasizing] from liberal bias to illiberal bias, from an inclination to favour one side of the national debate to an impulse to shut debate down altogether." then, well..., then I don't really know what to say because you would be living in a reality that is completely different from my own.Comment
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who cares? identifying and handicapping bias (present in every single thing ever written by a human being) is part of being a functioning personOriginally posted by BigFatMeanie View PostTe Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.Comment
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