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It’ll be no surprise but I kind of feel the same way. It gets tiring playing democracies policeman all over the world. At some point other countries need to put forth a respectively similar effort."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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I don't disagree. In fact, I agree fully. But that is completely irrelevant to this particular issue in Northern Syria.Originally posted by Moliere View PostIt’ll be no surprise but I kind of feel the same way. It gets tiring playing democracies policeman all over the world. At some point other countries need to put forth a respectively similar effort.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostIt’ll be no surprise but I kind of feel the same way. It gets tiring playing democracies policeman all over the world. At some point other countries need to put forth a respectively similar effort.Originally posted by creekster View PostI don't disagree. In fact, I agree fully. But that is completely irrelevant to this particular issue in Northern Syria.
See. Drumpf hasn't forgotten about the Kurds. And if our "NATO ally" doesn't be good with their neighbor then we will hurt their economy... really, really bad. We get our troops out while still protecting the Kurds.

And if that doesn't work we will kick Turkey out of NATO and then carpet bomb them using our drones.Last edited by Uncle Ted; 10-08-2019, 07:24 PM."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
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GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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We mos def should not leave Syria until the job is done or until the constantly shifting and never defined objective is met, because... dictators.Originally posted by creekster View PostThat is irrelevant. He is not bringing anyone home. Moreover, there is a question as to whether this particular use of military personnel does, in fact, fall under the War Powers act because they were there only in the nature of advisors (although I realize the weakness of that argument). That said, the reality is that we were there, we were working with the Kurds, who have suffered over 10k in casualties fighting ISIS for themselves but also at our behest, and then, when the Turks want to roll into town to clear them out we step back and let it happen. It would be one thing it this was Turkey in the west-friendly days of Attaturk, but this is an action by one of the worst dictators in the world.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
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This decision by Trump was neither policy based nor strategic. He was not trying to meet your goal on isolationism nor was he trying to advance our interests in any way whatsoever. Instead, he was responding to a direct personal request/suggestion by a brutal dictator knowing that the result would be attacks on communities and troops that had served along side Americans and done our bidding against ISIS. So please save your sanctimony about avoiding ME entanglements, with which policy I fully agree, for some time when it matters or applies. The fact is Trump moved our forces (he MOVED he did NOT withdraw) solely so Erdogan could kill Kurds. This isn't conjectural or merely a potentiality. It is happening right now. Today. And it is despicable and shameful and can only undermine American interests in that theater as well as anywhere we try to convince anyone we are a reliable ally. OF all the things that Trump has done that are questionable or misguided, and there are many, this one bothers me the most because it has led directly and immediately to deaths among those we had just a few days ago been fighting alongside.Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostWe mos def should not leave Syria until the job is done or until the constantly shifting and never defined objective is met, because... dictators.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Air and artillery strikes going on right now. Turkish leaders have already mocked Trump's threat of economic retaliation. What a disaster.Originally posted by creekster View PostThis decision by Trump was neither policy based nor strategic. He was not trying to meet your goal on isolationism nor was he trying to advance our interests in any way whatsoever. Instead, he was responding to a direct personal request/suggestion by a brutal dictator knowing that the result would be attacks on communities and troops that had served along side Americans and done our bidding against ISIS. So please save your sanctimony about avoiding ME entanglements, with which policy I fully agree, for some time when it matters or applies. The fact is Trump moved our forces (he MOVED he did NOT withdraw) solely so Erdogan could kill Kurds. This isn't conjectural or merely a potentiality. It is happening right now. Today. And it is despicable and shameful and can only undermine American interests in that theater as well as anywhere we try to convince anyone we are a reliable ally. OF all the things that Trump has done that are questionable or misguided, and there are many, this one bothers me the most because it has led directly and immediately to deaths among those we had just a few days ago been fighting alongside."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Agree completely.Originally posted by creekster View PostThis decision by Trump was neither policy based nor strategic. He was not trying to meet your goal on isolationism nor was he trying to advance our interests in any way whatsoever. Instead, he was responding to a direct personal request/suggestion by a brutal dictator knowing that the result would be attacks on communities and troops that had served along side Americans and done our bidding against ISIS. So please save your sanctimony about avoiding ME entanglements, with which policy I fully agree, for some time when it matters or applies. The fact is Trump moved our forces (he MOVED he did NOT withdraw) solely so Erdogan could kill Kurds. This isn't conjectural or merely a potentiality. It is happening right now. Today. And it is despicable and shameful and can only undermine American interests in that theater as well as anywhere we try to convince anyone we are a reliable ally. OF all the things that Trump has done that are questionable or misguided, and there are many, this one bothers me the most because it has led directly and immediately to deaths among those we had just a few days ago been fighting alongside."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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Isn't that exactly what the Kurds were doing by fighting ISIS on our behalf?Originally posted by Moliere View PostIt’ll be no surprise but I kind of feel the same way. It gets tiring playing democracies policeman all over the world. At some point other countries need to put forth a respectively similar effort.
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Turkey has also denied that they are going to take care of the ISIS prisoners. They expect that to be an international effort. Turkey's military operations have really just one goal: genocide of the Kurdish people.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostAir and artillery strikes going on right now. Turkish leaders have already mocked Trump's threat of economic retaliation. What a disaster.
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We mos def need to employ the US Military as the world's police force when Bad Things Happen™. If we don't, then it will be a Disaster™.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Why did your device convert those trademark symbols into images? No UTF-8 support?You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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