President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Uncle Ted]

So you think we have an international border principally because of "safety issues" and that requires a physical barrier? Nothing to do with establishing our territory and domestic sovereignty? Again-- you seem to think that a government that struggles to protect vulnerable people -like Mexico's- is contagious. And you declined to specify what danger is spilling through the border that Trump wants us all to be afraid of. He says it's criminals, rapists, and MS-13-- all of which are ridiculous, unsupported assertions. I appreciate that you declined to take that bait and side with him on that lonely sandbar of a position, but I also noticed that your argument has reverted to being philosophical.

I am just trying to understand what you Dems think... It is so very confusing. So what I am hearing from you so far:

(1) Mexicans are dangerous but only to other brown people. Mexicans hate brown people?

(2) There are absolutely no criminals, rapists, and MS-13 gang members crossing the border. They are are good people and don't end up in prison. I feel much safer now!

(3) We don't need any kind of physical barrier for border security. I take it you are a fan of Skateboard Jesus!

How about the drain by immigrates on our welfare system? Even your boy Bernie, a socialist of all people, is concerned about that one? What do you say? Apparently he hates poor people now that he is one of the rich. Are you a Bernie fanboy?

[Uncle Ted]

Let’s also note his philosophy is literally anti-Libertarian as judged by that party’s platform.

Frank, how times do I have to tell you? I am very much a fan of Ron Paul's philosophy on this issue...

How to tackle the real immigration problem? Eliminate incentives for those who would come here to live off the rest of us, and make it easier and more rational for those who wish to come here legally to contribute to our economy. No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards. But not a penny in welfare for immigrants. It’s really that simple.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...ation-problem/

I am all for legal immigration especially right now. Because of the Drumpf Obama economy we have 1.1 million more jobs than people even looking for jobs. (Damn you Obama!)

So get all your Dems there in congress to create a Ron Paul solution to immigration rather than just sitting around, eating KFC, and bitch'n about things they can't change.

[LVAllen]

Frank, how times do I have to tell you? I am very much a fan of Ron Paul's philosophy on this issue...


http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...ation-problem/

I am all for legal immigration especially right now. Because of the Drumpf Obama economy we have 1.1 million more jobs than people even looking for jobs. (Damn you Obama!)

So get all your Dems there in congress to create a Ron Paul solution to immigration rather than just sitting around, eating KFC, and bitch'n about things they can't change.

LMAO. Ted, you're sitting there complaining about Democrats wanting open borders, and you have the audacity to claim RP's position as your own?

RP is a libertarian. HE WANTS FREE FLOW OF CAPITAL. THAT INCLUDES LABOR AND HUMAN CAPITAL.

RP's solution is to allow people to cross the border without state interference. He simply proposes eliminating welfare aid to those who cross illegally. Contribute to the economy and you're welcome to be here. He disagrees with the concept of citizenship granted as a matter of right to those who are born here.

Like him or dislike him, RP sticks to his principles. None of this "Oh, I'm a libertarian but also 100% for government power."

[swampfrog]

And you declined to specify what danger is spilling through the border that Trump wants us all to be afraid of. He says it's criminals, rapists, and MS-13-- all of which are ridiculous, unsupported assertions.

Is Tim Ballard lying? Or does he not have expertise? He asserts there are actual real criminals smuggling children sex slaves from Latin American countries through the US southern border. How many children like Liliana is it OK to let through and be trafficked as sex slaves in order that undocumented asylum seekers have easier access?

The United States is one of the highest consumers of child sex in the world. It is also one of the wealthiest nations in the world. Simple economics tells us what follows. Child traffickers, who currently control millions of enslaved children worldwide, want to get these children into the United States where they can force them into this lucrative illicit market. The State Department reports that around 10,000 children are smuggled into the U.S. annually and forced into the commercial sex trade. Add adults, and that number almost doubles.

Liliana was kidnapped at age 11 from her village in Central America. After two years of grooming her for commercial sex, she was taken by her captors across the southern border at a location where no wall existed (approximately 70 percent of the border is wall-less). Her traffickers easily transported her to New York City, where she was raped for money up to 30-40 times a day for five years. She eventually escaped and my foundation is now caring for her as she prepares to testify in federal court against her captors. In accordance with U.S. laws, as a survivor of sex trafficking in America, Liliana has been granted legal status and will soon be a U.S. citizen. (The U.S. Attorney’s Office has requested that we not share more details about this case until the trial is completed later this year).

Paola Felix is a former Mexican congresswoman and current senior Mexican administration official working on anti-trafficking policies for President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. After studying what the so-called experts have said about how a wall does little to stop child trafficking into the United States, Felix declared, “It is very disappointing to me that people in the United States who claim to be anti-trafficking advocates would ignore or downplay the many Hispanic children being smuggled into the United States outside of legal ports of entry and forced into the hell of sex slavery. Mexican authorities have uncovered at least 19 different land-based smuggling routes where victims are taken and trafficked for sex in the United States. Downplaying the crisis with disinformation puts our children in grave danger. It discourages U.S. officials from employing every tactic available to rescue them during the small window of time that they can — that is, while they are being crossed into the United States. After that they are gone, maybe forever.”

How about Victor Rax? Apparently he had been deported 7 times and we kept letting him back in.

[Uncle Ted]

LMAO. Ted, you're sitting there complaining about Democrats wanting open borders, and you have the audacity to claim RP's position as your own?

RP is a libertarian. HE WANTS FREE FLOW OF CAPITAL. THAT INCLUDES LABOR AND HUMAN CAPITAL.

RP's solution is to allow people to cross the border without state interference. He simply proposes eliminating welfare aid to those who cross illegally. Contribute to the economy and you're welcome to be here. He disagrees with the concept of citizenship granted as a matter of right to those who are born here.

Like him or dislike him, RP sticks to his principles. None of this "Oh, I'm a libertarian but also 100% for government power."

I don't think RP only said no welfare for only those immigrates that are illegal. I am pretty sure he is referring to non-citizens. Immigrants don't get their citizenship just by crossing the border, even if they do it legally. Unfortunately they don't all contribute to the economy either. If every immigrant contributed to the economy rather than being a drain on our welfare and other social programs then there would be no argument. We could just let everyone in and grow our economy. (Wait... maybe that's Drumpf "magic wand". He is secretly letting all the immigrants in and that is growing the economy.)

Yeah, I am for open borders once the immigration policy eliminates welfare and other incentives for immigrants. Let me know when that happens. Currently there are lots of free hand outs and other incentives for immigrants to come to this country legally and illegally. And non-citizens seem to love these programs. Therefore, in this imperfect world we are forced to secure our borders like Bernie says. Maybe Bernie is not as crazy as everyone thinks he is.

[Uncle Ted]

Is Tim Ballard lying? Or does he not have expertise? He asserts there are actual real criminals smuggling children sex slaves from Latin American countries through the US southern border. How many children like Liliana is it OK to let through and be trafficked as sex slaves in order that undocumented asylum seekers have easier access?

How about Victor Rax? Apparently he had been deported 7 times and we kept letting him back in.

I have actually met Tim Ballard in person and contributed to Operation Underground Railroad organization when he was in Dallas. The human trafficking problem is very sad. But Commando says none of that is happening at our borders so he must be lying!

[frank ryan]

I don't think RP only said no welfare for only those immigrates that are illegal. I am pretty sure he is referring to non-citizens. Immigrants don't get their citizenship just by crossing the border, even if they do it legally. Unfortunately they don't all contribute to the economy either. If every immigrant contributed to the economy rather than being a drain on our welfare and other social programs then there would be no argument. We could just let everyone in and grow our economy. (Wait... maybe that's Drumpf "magic wand". He is secretly letting all the immigrants in and that is growing the economy.)

Yeah, I am for open borders once the immigration policy eliminates welfare and other incentives for immigrants. Let me know when that happens. Currently there are lots of free hand outs and other incentives for immigrants to come to this country legally and illegally. And non-citizens seem to love these programs. Therefore, in this imperfect world we are forced to secure our borders like Bernie says. Maybe Bernie is not as crazy as everyone thinks he is.

Undocumented Immigrants do not qualify for welfare (FEP) or most any other benefit. Stop spouting that altright nonsense. I read that portion of that propadanga report. The costs they calculate are from the citizen children of undocumented children who might eligible for some of these programs. That is a hugely dishonest presentation of the "facts."
If you have a problem with native born citizenship that's a separate issue.
FAIR is considered a hate group by the SPLC. It was my job to determine people's eligibility for those programs, this was also mentioned by misinformed or dishonest people people. Immigrants are a net massive boon for our economy. Step back from twitter and wherever else you get your memes from you're becoming radicalized. Pretty soon you'll talk about "bankers" and "globalists," in addition to what really happened on 9/11 and how the moon landing was fake.

My point on you being Libertarian stands, you're increasingly the opposite of one. That happens when you reflexively defend Trump.

[Uncle Ted]

Undocumented Immigrants do not qualify for welfare (FEP) or most any other benefit. Stop spouting that altright nonsense. I read that portion of that propadanga report. The costs they calculate are from the citizen children of undocumented children who might eligible for some of these programs. That is a hugely dishonest presentation of the "facts."
If you have a problem with native born citizenship that's a separate issue.
FAIR is considered a hate group by the SPLC. It was my job to determine people's eligibility for those programs, this was also mentioned by misinformed or dishonest people people. Immigrants are a net massive boon for our economy. Step back from twitter and wherever else you get your memes from you're becoming radicalized. Pretty soon you'll talk about "bankers" and "globalists," in addition to what really happened on 9/11 and how the moon landing was fake.

My point on you being Libertarian stands, you're increasingly the opposite of one. That happens when you reflexively defend Trump.

Thanks, let me add this to the list of what democrats think:

(4) Immigrants (non-citizens), undocumented or documented, are not a drain on the welfare or other social programs. Bernie is wrong and not a real Dem. He is just an old, white fart (aka. man) that hates poor people. The DNC was well justified in screwing him over in the 2016 primaries.

Could you post some links that show that non-citizens (i.e., undocumented/document or legal/illegal immigrants) don't use a dime from welfare or other social programs so I can document these "facts" that you are talking about? TIA.

Hey, how about the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS.org)? What is your non-partisan, expert opinion of them? They seem to have some interesting articles but I am sure they give yugely dishonest presentations of the "facts", right? For example:

https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Border-W...al-Immigration

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

https://cis.org/Report/Unaccompanied...-Crisis-Border

https://cis.org/Report/Have-Terroris...sed-Our-Border

It looks like their board is a bunch of dumbass academics from places like Cornell, Vanderbilt, North Carolina, etc. (all claiming to be a so called "University"). Therefore, I am guessing they don't know their heads from their butts. You know how those academic types are.

If we want to know the real "facts" then we just need to talk to you and the Commando, right?

[Walter Sobchak]

You guys don't be too hard on Ted. He's my favorite conservative nut job. He's always genial; a man of few words who let's others speak for him; yet he's a master of the meme and the timely news bit; and he posts a lot of interesting and compelling stuff.

I mean that his posts are succinct and not prolix, and always accompanied by an exhibit.

bump.

[Uncle Ted]

LOL... this joker sounds like Drumpf:

Who is this dummy? The way he talks he has to be a GOP'er but he sounds a lot like Skateboard Jesus. But Skateboard Jesus is much hipper since he doesn't wear ties and jumps up on tables.

[Commando]

I have actually met Tim Ballard in person and contributed to Operation Underground Railroad organization when he was in Dallas. The human trafficking problem is very sad. But Commando says none of that is happening at our borders so he must be lying!

Oh thank God somebody bailed you out to distract from your earlier unfounded statements. Yes, human trafficking is a problem, but not one that is solved by a wall or limiting immigration programs or by cutting out asylum. Nobody is opposed to strengthening security at points of entry.

By the way, MS-13 is an American gang, just as a heads up. They aren't coming here- just the opposite. Our American gangs ruined El Salvador-- I'm sure you feel better about that little reversal.

[Commando]

Thanks, let me add this to the list of what democrats think:

(4) Immigrants (non-citizens), undocumented or documented, are not a drain on the welfare or other social programs. Bernie is wrong and not a real Dem. He is just an old, white fart (aka. man) that hates poor people. The DNC was well justified in screwing him over in the 2016 primaries.

Could you post some links that show that non-citizens (i.e., undocumented/document or legal/illegal immigrants) don't use a dime from welfare or other social programs so I can document these "facts" that you are talking about? TIA.

Hey, how about the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS.org)? What is your non-partisan, expert opinion of them? They seem to have some interesting articles but I am sure they give yugely dishonest presentations of the "facts", right? For example:

https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Border-W...al-Immigration

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

https://cis.org/Report/Unaccompanied...-Crisis-Border

https://cis.org/Report/Have-Terroris...sed-Our-Border

It looks like their board is a bunch of dumbass academics from places like Cornell, Vanderbilt, North Carolina, etc. (all claiming to be a so called "University"). Therefore, I am guessing they don't know their heads from their butts. You know how those academic types are.

If we want to know the real "facts" then we just need to talk to you and the Commando, right?

LOL. CIS is anti-immigrant too. "low-immigration" is your first clue. And the site is rife with editorials pleading with Trump to end DACA and extolling the virtues of the racist-ass RAISE Act. Try reading before you post your dumbass illiterate Trump bullshit.

[Commando]

Is Tim Ballard lying? Or does he not have expertise? He asserts there are actual real criminals smuggling children sex slaves from Latin American countries through the US southern border. How many children like Liliana is it OK to let through and be trafficked as sex slaves in order that undocumented asylum seekers have easier access?

What in the world does that have to do with asylum seekers having "easier access?" Do you have the first clue about how the asylum application process works? No. Because if you did, you wouldn't say stupid things like this.

[Bo Diddley]

What in the world does that have to do with asylum seekers having "easier access?" Do you have the first clue about how the asylum application process works? No. Because if you did, you wouldn't say stupid things like this.

[swampfrog]

What in the world does that have to do with asylum seekers having "easier access?" Do you have the first clue about how the asylum application process works? No. Because if you did, you wouldn't say stupid things like this.

It was badly worded and tangential to the conversation anyway, however, if the process by which asylum is granted is simplified, does that not increase the risk of bad actors navigating that system? The more simplified or easy a legal path to immigration, the more it will be infiltrated by such actors for illicit purposes.

Back to the original claim:

He says it's criminals, rapists, and MS-13-- all of which are ridiculous, unsupported assertions.

I supported the assertion that criminals are indeed coming through the US southern border, and what's worse, they are smuggling child victims, which makes the word "ridiculous" ring hollow.

Yes, human trafficking is a problem, but not one that is solved by a wall or limiting immigration programs or by cutting out asylum. Nobody is opposed to strengthening security at points of entry.

Tim Ballard is making the claim that he is indeed an expert on this issue.

Altogether, we are the ones — and the only ones — who have utilized or are utilizing the border wall to rescue children. We are the experts. And we all agree that the building, expansion and strengthening of the border wall has been one of many effective tools, and will continue to be an effective tool, in the rescuing of trafficked children.

His answer to the question of those argue against the necessity of a wall:

Their argument illustrates how poorly they understand border enforcement. They tend to see ports of entry and the wall as separate entities. As long as you have ports of entry, they declare, you don’t need an extended wall. For those of us who have worked the border, we know that walls and ports of entry are not independent of each other. Rather, they act in tandem. If there were no walls, just stand-alone entry gates scattered every several hundred miles across the almost-2,000-mile border, do the critics really believe there would be as many arrests at these ports of entry? Do they believe traffickers would bring their enslaved children and their drugs to these small, stand-alone gates, while ignoring the vast, wide-open, unenforced space?

And more support:

In March 2011, we obtained intelligence that U.S. resident Leonel Gonzalez was attempting to smuggle children into the United States from Mexicali, Mexico, for the purposes of selling them to Americans for sex. We learned that, because of the giant wall separating Mexicali and the United States, he was having a hard time figuring out a way to get them in. We preempted his actions by sending undercover operators posing as American traffickers to negotiate with him. I personally led the undercover team on this operation. Thanks to the wall in place, it bought us time to coordinate with Mexican authorities, who arrested the Mexican traffickers and liberated the children who were being held in a house near the border. The U.S. government arrested Gonzalez and charged him with 18 USC 1591(a) Sex Trafficking of Children (Case 11CR1192). He pled guilty and went to jail.

Paolo Felix is also claiming the title of expert and says the following:

It is very disappointing to me that people in the United States who claim to be anti-trafficking advocates would ignore or downplay the many Hispanic children being smuggled into the United States outside of legal ports of entry and forced into the hell of sex slavery. Mexican authorities have uncovered at least 19 different land-based smuggling routes where victims are taken and trafficked for sex in the United States. Downplaying the crisis with disinformation puts our children in grave danger. It discourages U.S. officials from employing every tactic available to rescue them during the small window of time that they can — that is, while they are being crossed into the United States. After that they are gone, maybe forever.

Experts in sex trafficking agree that a physical wall in coordination with other efforts improves the chances of preventing child trafficking. Are they also all saying stupid things?