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  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Do any of these distinctions really matter? He is a clown. Worst president in the modern era. Maybe ever.
    I would trade Trump for Warren Harding, and I’d throw in cash and a player to be named later.

    Not sure if I would trade Trump for Andrew Johnson. That guy was a horrible human.
    "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
    -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
      Eddie, my friend, it is that simple. Using racial slurs is a racist action. Engaging in racists actions qualifies someone as a racist. It's not some nebulous designation, and understanding the context doesn't make him immune from that label. It's pretty straight forward.
      You can castigate me and others for calling Trump a racist, but my question to you is why do you go to such great lengths to give Trump the benefit of the doubt?
      I agree with Cowboy. Your all-or-nothing take lacks nuance. It fails to take into account generational differences. I'd wager that a sizable majority of this board's parents or grandparents have at some point dropped the n-bomb or other racial slurs. It wasn't a particularly polite thing to say but it was far more common than most would probably like to admit. I'd also wager that a majority of these parents and grandparents aren't racists. My father had black friends and colleagues but I heard him drop the N-bomb in private once in a blue moon. For him it was just a word from his upbringing that didn't carry the same weight as it does today. In these instances, more so when I got back from my mission to Africa, I'd get after him and eventually he stopped. My father was far from a racist.

      My money is that Trump, like many of his generation, has dropped the n-bomb. He may or may not be a racist but the mere fact that he has said the word at some point doesn't move the needle much when making a final determination.
      Last edited by Shaka; 12-08-2017, 07:18 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Solon View Post
        Not sure if I would trade Trump for Andrew Johnson. That guy was a horrible human.
        What makes you say that?

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        • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
          agreed. like a bag of mixed dogshit.
          LOL. Maybe your funniest post ever.

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          • Trump is driving the bus straight into a Constitutional crisis.

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            • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
              Trump is driving the bus straight into a Constitutional crisis.
              I’m sad to see some elements for Congress are working to undermine Mueller. If he gets fired and the GOP refuses to do anything, than Trump gets to get away with anything. Whomever thought voting for a man he is confidants with Alex Jones, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka was a good idea sure got fooled.

              I don’t care for Hillary. I’ve never voted for her, and the for first time ever I donated money to Bernie, but by god, Hillary would not have been worse than Trump.
              Last edited by frank ryan; 12-08-2017, 08:10 AM.

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              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                I’m sad to see some elements for Congress are working to undermine Mueller. If he gets fired and the GOP refuses to do anything, than Trump gets to get away with anything. Whomever thought voting for a man he is confidants with Alex Jones, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka was a good idea sure got fooled.
                Yeah, Mueller and the FBI just needs to release all special agent Strzok's text messages to the public to show there is no bias and no colluding going on with the Russians (via Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele). That will set these elements to rest! (And we want to see the dirt in those text messages!)

                Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                I don’t care for Hillary. I’ve never voted for her, and the for first time ever I donated money to Bernie, but by god, Hillary would not have been worse than Trump.
                OMG, Frank... you wasted your money on Bernie? Sorry, man. That dude was doomed from the start by the democratic party (and they are still trying to screw him.) The best thing that could happen for Bernie is for the democratic party burn to the ground so someone like Bernie has a fighting chance next time.
                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                  Yeah, Mueller and the FBI just needs to release all special agent Strzok's text messages to the public to show there is no bias and no colluding going on with the Russians (via Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele). That will set these elements to rest! (And we want to see the dirt in those text messages!)



                  OMG, Frank... you wasted your money on Bernie? Sorry, man. That dude was doomed from the start by the democratic party (and they are still trying to screw him.) The best thing that could happen for Bernie is for the democratic party burn to the ground so someone like Bernie has a fighting chance next time.
                  Maybe frank has the means. I gave money to Johnson,Kasich and Cruz and I think even McMullin -- any little bit to get in the way of the Drumpfster. Granted, I knew it was mostly an emotional exercise and wouldn't make much difference. Actually that pretty much describes voting. One vote or one contribution won't decide it, but it makes one feel like they did something at least.
                  Last edited by BlueK; 12-08-2017, 08:55 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                    Yeah, Mueller and the FBI just needs to release all special agent Strzok's text messages to the public to show there is no bias and no colluding going on with the Russians (via Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele). That will set these elements to rest! (And we want to see the dirt in those text messages!)



                    OMG, Frank... you wasted your money on Bernie? Sorry, man. That dude was doomed from the start by the democratic party (and they are still trying to screw him.) The best thing that could happen for Bernie is for the democratic party burn to the ground so someone like Bernie has a fighting chance next time.
                    It wasn't much money at all. I consider myself as pretty close to being a social democrat, which is what Bernie is. My good sir, your comments re. the investigation mirrors Sean Hannity's and Trump's. Don't fall for their shit. Mueller axed someone for being biased.
                    Last edited by frank ryan; 12-08-2017, 09:59 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                      It wasn't much money at all. I consider myself as pretty close to being a social democrat, which is what Bernie is. My good sir, your comments re. mirrors Sean Hannity's and Trump's. Don't fall for their shit. Mueller axed someone for being biased.
                      Good for Mueller... now show us the dirt!
                      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • Originally posted by Solon View Post
                        I would trade Trump for Warren Harding, and I’d throw in cash and a player to be named later.

                        Not sure if I would trade Trump for Andrew Johnson. That guy was a horrible human.
                        Woodrow Wilson is pretty near the top of my list. Dude was overtly racist, defended lynchings, committed segregationist ("segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit"), anti-woman, anti-freedom (Espionage and Sedition Acts), master of Orwellian propaganda.

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                        • Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                          Woodrow Wilson is pretty near the top of my list. Dude was overtly racist, defended lynchings, committed segregationist ("segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit"), anti-woman, anti-freedom (Espionage and Sedition Acts), master of Orwellian propaganda.
                          But he kept us out of World War I!!!

                          oh wait . . .

                          "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
                          -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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                          • Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                            Woodrow Wilson is pretty near the top of my list. Dude was overtly racist, defended lynchings, committed segregationist ("segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit"), anti-woman, anti-freedom (Espionage and Sedition Acts), master of Orwellian propaganda.
                            And like Trump, it's widely believed he wasn't right in the head at least by the end of his term.

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                            • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                              Sen. Burr, R accused House Intel chair Devin Nunes of making up the whole Susan Rice/Obama unmasking rumor. That's quite an indictment.

                              "Rice was interviewed by the panel in closed session, Burr said he asked no questions about whether she improperly requested and revealed the identities of U.S. individuals swept up in intelligence reports—an accusation Nunes has made repeatedly.

                              'The unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes, and I’ll wait to go through our full evaluation to see if there was anything improper that happened,” Burr told CNN. “But clearly there were individuals unmasked. Some of that became public which it’s not supposed to, and our business is to understand that, and explain it.'"



                              http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckrak...king-narrative

                              Hey Frank... what ever happened to that whole Nunes thing? Did the House Ethics Committee nail his butt?

                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                                Hey Frank... what ever happened to that whole Nunes thing? Did the House Ethics Committee nail his butt?

                                Nothing yet, but something is rotten with him.

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