President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Uncle Ted]

what state department?

The one recommending the Trump Hotel to the Mexican diplomat.

[BlueK]

The one recommending the Trump Hotel to the Mexican diplomat.

probably a temp or something. I think the state department right now is empty suit Tillerson and Nikki Haley hanging out at the UN.

[Uncle Ted]

probably a temp or something. I think the state department right now is empty suit Tillerson and Nikki Haley hanging out at the UN.

Of course, the more I think about it... Just staying at the Trump Hotel would be a lot cheaper than what it cost when Hillary was running the state department. She was always expecting diplomats and such to make large donations to her foundation before she would give them the time of day.

[frank ryan]

Of course, the more I think about it... Just staying at the Trump Hotel would be a lot cheaper than what it cost when Hillary was running the state department. She was always expecting diplomats and such to make large donations to her foundation before she would give them the time of day.

More of the same being ok with everything Trump does from you. You need to hone your ability to criticize him if you want to be an effective evangelist for libertarianism.

[Uncle Ted]

More of the same being ok with everything Trump does from you. You need to hone your ability to criticize him if you want to be an effective evangelist for libertarianism.

LOL... I don't have to point out to you that Drumpf is a dumbass, do I?

[Topper]

It seems we have several camps here.

Frank Ryan's camp that Trump has put the US in imminent, irretrievable peril, that he is Satan, and that anybody who does not sacrifice himself or herself against Trump is therefore a willing accomplice and wannabe Nazi. By the way, I have plenty of relatives in this camp. I just disagree that circumstances are that dire. Most Democrats fall into this category.

We have the camp that believes Trump is incompetent as a manager, as a President, is uncouth, inarticulate, ill-advised, incoherent, and unlikely to follow good advice. He has engaged in nepotistic hires to his detriment, he is about as evil as a lot men and women in his position, his policies are mostly nonsense but given his ineptitude at managing government, his inability to keep from stepping into it, he is mostly likely to have zero accomplishments. Although he might put the US in peril through a mis-step, the most likely outcome is that he will damage the Republican Party but not do any lasting harm to the Republic. We wish he were not President, and voted Libertarian or abstained from voting, but hated the alternative as well. I fall into this camp.

There are some that went Republican because that's what Republicans do. They aren't excited about him, wish he would shut his mouth, and wish he would achieve some of his objectives, but are disappointed in his lack of achievements. (I suppose there are some who like him as President but I have not met anybody falling into this category. Those are they who dislike traditional politics and like his uncouth manner of speaking about people they generally dislike).

I point this out, not because it represents any particular insight because it seems those that fall into Frank's camp often get too perturbed at those who do not believe we should sacrifice our lives if necessary to end Trump's presidency. 45 is bad but he is not yet the end of times.

[Uncle Ted]

Frank Ryan's camp that Trump has put the US in imminent, irretrievable peril, that he is Satan, and that anybody who does not sacrifice himself or herself against Trump is therefore a willing accomplice and wannabe Nazi. By the way, I have plenty of relatives in this camp. I just disagree that circumstances are that dire. Most Democrats fall into this category.

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I point this out, not because it represents any particular insight because it seems those that fall into Frank's camp often get too perturbed at those who do not believe we should sacrifice our lives if necessary to end Trump's presidency. 45 is bad but he is not yet the end of times.

I think you totally misunderstand Frank... He just has a lot of love for this country.

I do wonder where Frank got all the money to take out a full page ad in the NYT, however:

[Topper]

I think you totally misunderstand Frank... He just has a lot of love for this country.

I do wonder where Frank got all the money to take out a full page ad in the NYT, however:

Given the redistributive desires of Frank and the NYT, I imagine it was done for free.

[frank ryan]

It seems we have several camps here.

Frank Ryan's camp that Trump has put the US in imminent, irretrievable peril, that he is Satan, and that anybody who does not sacrifice himself or herself against Trump is therefore a willing accomplice and wannabe Nazi. By the way, I have plenty of relatives in this camp. I just disagree that circumstances are that dire. Most Democrats fall into this category.

We have the camp that believes Trump is incompetent as a manager, as a President, is uncouth, inarticulate, ill-advised, incoherent, and unlikely to follow good advice. He has engaged in nepotistic hires to his detriment, he is about as evil as a lot men and women in his position, his policies are mostly nonsense but given his ineptitude at managing government, his inability to keep from stepping into it, he is mostly likely to have zero accomplishments. Although he might put the US in peril through a mis-step, the most likely outcome is that he will damage the Republican Party but not do any lasting harm to the Republic. We wish he were not President, and voted Libertarian or abstained from voting, but hated the alternative as well. I fall into this camp.

There are some that went Republican because that's what Republicans do. They aren't excited about him, wish he would shut his mouth, and wish he would achieve some of his objectives, but are disappointed in his lack of achievements. (I suppose there are some who like him as President but I have not met anybody falling into this category. Those are they who dislike traditional politics and like his uncouth manner of speaking about people they generally dislike).

I point this out, not because it represents any particular insight because it seems those that fall into Frank's camp often get too perturbed at those who do not believe we should sacrifice our lives if necessary to end Trump's presidency. 45 is bad but he is not yet the end of times.

You have your head in the sand if you think Trump is going to end up being harmless. You really don't have much authority to paint anyone as rigidly extreme in their politics, considering you said you rather have Putin as president than Hillary. I don't buy you were being hyperbolic either.

[BlueK]

I think you totally misunderstand Frank... He just has a lot of love for this country.

I do wonder where Frank got all the money to take out a full page ad in the NYT, however:

I get a kick out of the impeach Trump commercial that runs on MSNBC sometimes. Some rich guy in California is paying for it. But then again, everything he says in the ad is correct, IMO. But he reminds me of Frank. Also, the guy seems completely sincere. But like I also said, I agree with him. I probably just wouldn't have gone through all the trouble. I did sign his petition though.

https://www.needtoimpeach.com

[BlueK]

It seems we have several camps here.

Frank Ryan's camp that Trump has put the US in imminent, irretrievable peril, that he is Satan, and that anybody who does not sacrifice himself or herself against Trump is therefore a willing accomplice and wannabe Nazi. By the way, I have plenty of relatives in this camp. I just disagree that circumstances are that dire. Most Democrats fall into this category.

We have the camp that believes Trump is incompetent as a manager, as a President, is uncouth, inarticulate, ill-advised, incoherent, and unlikely to follow good advice. He has engaged in nepotistic hires to his detriment, he is about as evil as a lot men and women in his position, his policies are mostly nonsense but given his ineptitude at managing government, his inability to keep from stepping into it, he is mostly likely to have zero accomplishments. Although he might put the US in peril through a mis-step, the most likely outcome is that he will damage the Republican Party but not do any lasting harm to the Republic. We wish he were not President, and voted Libertarian or abstained from voting, but hated the alternative as well. I fall into this camp.

There are some that went Republican because that's what Republicans do. They aren't excited about him, wish he would shut his mouth, and wish he would achieve some of his objectives, but are disappointed in his lack of achievements. (I suppose there are some who like him as President but I have not met anybody falling into this category. Those are they who dislike traditional politics and like his uncouth manner of speaking about people they generally dislike).

I point this out, not because it represents any particular insight because it seems those that fall into Frank's camp often get too perturbed at those who do not believe we should sacrifice our lives if necessary to end Trump's presidency. 45 is bad but he is not yet the end of times.

I don't think there is really that much difference between group 1 and 2. The only difference is maybe how they communicate it to others.

[Topper]

I don't think there is really that much difference between group 1 and 2. The only difference is maybe how they communicate it to others.

Group 1 is much more strident and unwilling to analyze the impact of events neutrally.

[BlueK]

Group 1 is much more strident and unwilling to analyze the impact of events neutrally.

Maybe, but apologists would say there isn't much objectivity from those in group 2 either.

But from my perspective as one hovering between 1 and 2 I think it's dangerous to have a president who is as described in that paragraph, isn't it? He's so weird and so out-of-the box incompetent, that I think that alone is desensitizing the country into thinking it's almost normal.

[Topper]

Maybe, but apologists would say there isn't much objectivity from those in group 2 either.

But from my perspective as one hovering between 1 and 2 I think it's dangerous to have a president who is as described in that paragraph, isn't it? He's so weird and so out-of-the box incompetent, that I think that alone is desensitizing the country into thinking it's almost normal.

It has the potential for danger but I believe the absolute belief of group 1 that it IS dangerous rests upon the mistaken impact of how much influence a president really has. Except for a few areas, I believe the president is much less important than what the hysterical ones of group 1 believe. It's a position of power and as to some people, it can have a great influence, but it is NOT that impactful in the lives of most people.

Given the impotence of 45, his potential for danger is muted.

[BlueK]

It has the potential for danger but I believe the absolute belief of group 1 that it IS dangerous rests upon the mistaken impact of how much influence a president really has. Except for a few areas, I believe the president is much less important than what the hysterical ones of group 1 believe. It's a position of power and as to some people, it can have a great influence, but it is NOT that impactful in the lives of most people.

Given the impotence of 45, his potential for danger is muted.

that has mostly been the case to this point. All bets are off on the morning he wakes up and decides it's a good day to launch a nuke at N. Korea because of some stupid thing Kim said overnight.