President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[falafel]

I have to agree with Frank, Commando, and others here about Drumpf... The guy is not to be trusted. Now he is siding with the democrats on increasing our debt ceiling. We are all doomed! He might as well and come out of the closet about how he is really a democrat. Maybe he will fire Pence and make Hillary his VP.

That is outrageous! I wish he'd side with the republicans on raising our debt ceiling instead!

[Northwestcoug]

That is outrageous! I wish he'd side with the republicans on raising our debt ceiling instead!

Whoa, shades of libertarianism that I hadn't noticed in falafel before...

[creekster]

So Trump ended DACA under the guise that, without a hint of irony, Obama was over-reaching in his executive power. So if you're on the Trump Train still please do us a favor and just admit that this guy is a giant evil piece of shit. Stop the whatabouts and the butObamas. Just gaze at that lumpy, peanutty lump of shit in the Oval Office and call a spade a spade.

Didnt Obama over reach? I thought so then. Did you not agree? You think hte exec order was A-OK?


http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.s...ump_obama.html
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fl...rticle/2633412

[Uncle Ted]

Didnt Obama over reach? I thought so then. Did you not agree? You think hte exec order was A-OK?


http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.s...ump_obama.html
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fl...rticle/2633412

No... Obama didn't over reach. He said it was temporary stop gap measure:

Now, let's be clear -- this is not amnesty, this is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It's not a permanent fix. This is a temporary stopgap measure that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people

If Obama said it was not temporary then I might agree with you about over reaching. In short, Obama was just trying to help congress get their sh*t together on immigration. Maybe Drumpf is helping Obama keep his word just like any other good fellow democrat would do.

[beefytee]

Maybe he will fire Pence and make Hillary his VP.

I know Trump loves firing people, but Mike Pence is one person he can't fire. Congress would have to remove him. They would also have to approve any new appointee, so unless the republican congress also comes out of the closet....

[Commando]

Didnt Obama over reach? I thought so then. Did you not agree? You think hte exec order was A-OK?

Yep- many conservatives don't agree with me, but technically he didn't create a law at all. It was an executive act of prosecutorial discretion for folks under certain stringent guidelines, which he can do since DHS is run under the executive's direction. Congress had already authorized work permits for those benefitting from grants of prosecutorial discretion. Obama did it so that the dreamers didn't get put over a barrel because of Boener's refusal to put the Dream Act to a vote before the House. Trump rescinding that particular set of enforcement priorities just says, "OK we know you're basically perfect but you're also mainly brown, so Sessions, Breitbart and I say 'f*k you guys.'"

[Commando]

Didnt Obama over reach? I thought so then. Did you not agree? You think hte exec order was A-OK?

Worth mentioning that the whole reason I made mention of Obama's "overreach" is that Trump is the King of the Executive Order. The Muslim Ban provides no better example of Executive overreach, since it couldn't meet the smallest burden at the circuit court level to stand up, which was a demonstration of some risk to the U.S. if the ban wasn't enacted. Not one citation, not one shred of evidence. His rationale was basically, in the words of Stephen Copernicus Miller, "the President's executive powers are substantial and will not be questioned."

[frank ryan]

Worth mentioning that the whole reason I made mention of Obama's "overreach" is that Trump is the King of the Executive Order. The Muslim Ban provides no better example of Executive overreach, since it couldn't meet the smallest burden at the circuit court level to stand up, which was a demonstration of some risk to the U.S. if the ban wasn't enacted. Not one citation, not one shred of evidence. His rationale was basically, in the words of Stephen Copernicus Miller, "the President's executive powers are substantial and will not be questioned."

It's worth pointing that the conversative narrative that Obama abused executive orders, at a rate previously unseen is a crock of shit. He issued, on average, fewer than any POTUS since Cleveland. https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewre...rders/%3famp=1

[creekster]

It's worth pointing that the conversative narrative that Obama abused executive orders, at a rate previously unseen is a crock of shit. He issued, on average, fewer than any POTUS since Cleveland. https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewre...rders/%3famp=1

On a conversative basis only, I don't think the number of orders has anything to do with whether their reach was proper. Both Bush and Obama issued EO's at a virtually identical but moderate rate and both of them overreached, IMO, quite a few times.

[Uncle Ted]

Worth mentioning that the whole reason I made mention of Obama's "overreach" is that Trump is the King of the Executive Order. The Muslim Ban provides no better example of Executive overreach, since it couldn't meet the smallest burden at the circuit court level to stand up, which was a demonstration of some risk to the U.S. if the ban wasn't enacted. Not one citation, not one shred of evidence. His rationale was basically, in the words of Stephen Copernicus Miller, "the President's executive powers are substantial and will not be questioned."

Yeah, too many executive orders... So should we be happy that Drumpf is getting rid of the DACA executive order and is giving congress six months to not make it an executive order?

[BlueK]

On a conversative basis only, I don't think the number of orders has anything to do with whether their reach was proper. Both Bush and Obama issued EO's at a virtually identical but moderate rate and both of them overreached, IMO, quite a few times.

Legally, DACA was technically an overreach by Obama. But pragmatically, it's impossible to round up and deport every single one of the millions of people here who don't have legal status. So with Congress refusing to do anything to resolve the immigration issue properly, as a practical matter it makes sense for the chief executive whose job it is to enforce existing law to spell out some guidelines for ICE on how to do it. And it also makes sense to make those who were brought here as children and don't know any other country and who have never been in legal trouble, be last on the priority list for kicking out. That's basically all DACA is. Yes, it allows them to work and go to school like normal people. Big freaking whoop. The real reason the Bannonites and extreme nationalists like them are opposed to it is because they hate the idea that any person not here legally shouldn't be treated like absolute crap.

That said, I don't have a huge problem with Trump telling Congress it's on them to fix it. I will have a huge problem if Congress does pass something that fixes it and grants some form of legal status, only to see Trump veto it. But one important question is why does Trump have to bring this to the forefront right now when there are more pressing issues for Congress to deal with.

[Northwestcoug]

Up is down, black is white, RINOs don't work with democrats enough:

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This is the end result of tea party and other grass roots activism. It energizes the base, but on the right it still remains only a protest vote. And it protests anything that disagrees with the populist who takes up their cause.

[Topper]

That said, I don't have a huge problem with Trump telling Congress it's on them to fix it. I will have a huge problem if Congress does pass something that fixes it and grants some form of legal status, only to see Trump veto it. But one important question is why does Trump have to bring this to the forefront right now when there are more pressing issues for Congress to deal with.

Who knows the mind of Trump, but a purely speculative guess is he wants some victories to point to for his base to rally around.

Immigration needs to be addressed and we need some reasonable path to citizenship.

Congress can fix this once and for all, if it can do two things:
First, establish a reasonable basis for attaining citizenship for those here.
Second, create Work Visas for workers from Mexico and reasonable quotas after determining what number of workers our economy needs.

[frank ryan]

Who knows the mind of Trump, but a purely speculative guess is he wants some victories to point to for his base to rally around.

Immigration needs to be addressed and we need some reasonable path to citizenship.

Congress can fix this once and for all, if it can do two things:
First, establish a reasonable basis for attaining citizenship for those here.
Second, create Work Visas for workers from Mexico and reasonable quotas after determining what number of workers our economy needs.

Trump has proven to be a xenophobe, and I think this a factor.

[BlueK]

Who knows the mind of Trump, but a purely speculative guess is he wants some victories to point to for his base to rally around.

Immigration needs to be addressed and we need some reasonable path to citizenship.

Congress can fix this once and for all, if it can do two things:
First, establish a reasonable basis for attaining citizenship for those here.
Second, create Work Visas for workers from Mexico and reasonable quotas after determining what number of workers our economy needs.

His core base isn't going to rally around anything that resembles helping dreamers. They would rather watch their Fox News with scenes of the mass deportation force Trump talked about during the campaign ripping families out of their homes to send to Mexico. Trump was just hoping to have it both ways. By ending DACA he can claim to be doing what his core base wants, while at the same time having Congress to blame when his wacko base complains when they pass something that helps those folks.