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  • Originally posted by creekster View Post
    Not the "same deal." Might be. But that's not what the article says.
    You can parse words and be overly legalistic, but you're wrong on Trump and Russia simply being hysteria, in the same way you were wrong about Trump being inappropriately tagged as a racist. Trump does not deserve being given the benefit of the doubt.

    Here is a retort of The Nation article you posted. http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ic-dnc-article

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    • This, from Facebook (as always, I lack the skill to embed): Dear God, If you want us to impeach Trump, give us a sign, like blot out the sun... Anytime in the next week. Thanks, Americans

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      • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
        This, from Facebook (as always, I lack the skill to embed)
        lol. facebook is hard.
        You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
        Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

        Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
        You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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        • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
          lol. facebook is hard.
          I know, right?

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          • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
            This, from Facebook (as always, I lack the skill to embed): Dear God, If you want us to impeach Trump, give us a sign, like blot out the sun... Anytime in the next week. Thanks, Americans

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            • I thought this was pretty good.

              http://forward.com/opinion/380286/bo...arlottesville/
              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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              • Trump wants Flake out of the Senate:



                Trump is trying to oust Jeff Flake from the Senate - Vox
                https://apple.news/A60Vi-H0ISXurQiJ-zhZCqQ

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                • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                  This, from Facebook (as always, I lack the skill to embed): Dear God, If you want us to impeach Trump, give us a sign, like blot out the sun... Anytime in the next week. Thanks, Americans
                  That's hilarious.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • Originally posted by creekster View Post
                    Yup

                    Charlottesville was like trying to cure one type of cancer with another form of cancer. In the end they are both cancers.

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                    • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                      Yup

                      Charlottesville was like trying to cure one type of cancer with another form of cancer. In the end they are both cancers.
                      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...x-klan/388733/

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                      • During my run this morning I was listening to local (KQED) newscast that included a discussion of the so-called slippery slope argument Trump has been making (i.e., if we tear down statues of Lee and Jackson today, won't Washington and Jefferson be next--where will it stop?). A professor from back east (and I regret I can't recall his name) said there isn't a slippery slope at all. Rather, one should consider two things when considering the propriety of a monument's existence: (1) What deeds/facts/history is the monument honoring?, and (2) If the honoree is flawed (and who isn't?), do his/her accomplishments materially outweigh those flaws?

                        In the case of Lee and Jackson, their statues (which typically show them in full uniform heading into battle) honor their service in seeking to break up the United States and preserve slavery. Their claims to fame consist of little more than that.

                        There really isn't a slippery slope here at all.

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                        • Originally posted by creekster View Post
                          that is good.

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                          • Great article. I watched similar approaches play out over and over while on my mission in South Africa. I also saw approaches similar to what happened in Charlottesville which never turned out well.

                            I guess it's good that this guy didn't show up to the gig wearing a helmet and mask and wielding a baseball bat.

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                            • Originally posted by creekster View Post
                              I agree. Good article.

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                              • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                                During my run this morning I was listening to local (KQED) newscast that included a discussion of the so-called slippery slope argument Trump has been making (i.e., if we tear down statues of Lee and Jackson today, won't Washington and Jefferson be next--where will it stop?). A professor from back east (and I regret I can't recall his name) said there isn't a slippery slope at all. Rather, one should consider two things when considering the propriety of a monument's existence: (1) What deeds/facts/history is the monument honoring?, and (2) If the honoree is flawed (and who isn't?), do his/her accomplishments materially outweigh those flaws?

                                In the case of Lee and Jackson, their statues (which typically show them in full uniform heading into battle) honor their service in seeking to break up the United States and preserve slavery. Their claims to fame consist of little more than that.

                                There really isn't a slippery slope here at all.
                                The honoring history argument is bogus. These monuments were mostly built during the Jim Crow era by white supremacists. And the confederate flag came back into popularity during the civil rights movement in the 60's. Again by white supremacists.

                                Taking down monuments to people who dedicated their lives to preserving slavery is not erasing history.
                                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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