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[dabrockster]

The threat that they would be murdered by the US government? Does any protester honestly think that there is a risk they will be shot by federal agents for protesting?

Protesting?? This is not protesting. It’s obstructing.

[falafel]

Protesting?? This is not protesting. It’s obstructing.

Strongly disagree. I know that you have seen the videos. This is absolutely protected speech. Brock, if you think this was an action that deserves lethal force, then I hope you never have to face the police ever in your life. Because under these circumstances, any dissent Against the federal government equals the death penalty.

IMO, the exercise of first amendment rights should preclude the exercise of deadly force against United States citizens.

I am not saying US citizens should be excluded from prosecution, but I am saying there should not be any presumption that the federal agents were acting lawfully. I cannot see any reason why the federal government should be elevated above the citizens that they serve.

This ICE agent should be prosecuted under the law, if appropriate. I think we all know that the Trump administration will not do that. That is the precise problem we are facing.

Brock (call me Dan if you object to me using your name), PLEASE imagine yourself in the position of someone who does NOT agree with the federal government's actions. Think Biden, think Obama, think Clinton, think motherf***king Jimmy Carter. If you would oppose ANY person for protesting agasint any of those Presidents' power, then f**k off.

Seriously, this sh$t makes me so incredibly upset I don't know what to do. Protest? What if I am killed or jailed for exercising my rights? Shut up? So I keep my opinions silent? Okay cool, just keep my opinions to myself?? F*ck that.

I will voice opinion LOUDLY and FREQUENTLY. The actions of this administration are absolute BULLSHIT.

[dabrockster]

What do you consider protesting? Organized groups following a federal agents, swaying, harassing, finding their location, positioning your car to block their movements, antagonizing agents. Do you consider all of these protesting? If so, we will not be in agreement on this. I have no issue with protesting, but these things are not (IMO).

There is a footage from Anderson Cooper where he shows 4-minutes of this event and what took place well before the shooting. This couple is part of a large group that is committed to being more than just protesting ICE agents. The school their children attend defines their mission in this. Again, no issue with organizing and protesting, filming, chanting, yelling, but when you revert to physical actions. That is crossing a line imo. I have no issue with marches, lock-ins or other methods, but this is NOT that method. These are gotcha aggressive methods to provide an agent to lose his cool so they can film these and post. The liberal left has creates this and encouraged this. Chaos is their method of protest. Looking to all groups who are different views but a central hated for the govt. to create these situations

I am angry and hope the agent is held accountable. But, I also believe these methods to be anarchistic in nature to instill more unrest.

You want me to place myself in the eyes of these individual. I will reverse thiat suggestion and ask that do the same. And like many on here, don’t make the assumption o think these federal agents are acting lawfully. But don’t think all of them are taking actions that are unlawfully.

[Northwestcoug]

Strongly disagree. I know that you have seen the videos. This is absolutely protected speech. Brock, if you think this was an action that deserves lethal force, then I hope you never have to face the police ever in your life. Because under these circumstances, any dissent Against the federal government equals the death penalty.

IMO, the exercise of first amendment rights should preclude the exercise of deadly force against United States citizens.

I am not saying US citizens should be excluded from prosecution, but I am saying there should not be any presumption that the federal agents were acting lawfully. I cannot see any reason why the federal government should be elevated above the citizens that they serve.

This ICE agent should be prosecuted under the law, if appropriate. I think we all know that the Trump administration will not do that. That is the precise problem we are facing.

Brock (call me Dan if you object to me using your name), PLEASE imagine yourself in the position of someone who does NOT agree with the federal government's actions. Think Biden, think Obama, think Clinton, think motherf***king Jimmy Carter. If you would oppose ANY person for protesting agasint any of those Presidents' power, then f**k off.

Seriously, this sh$t makes me so incredibly upset I don't know what to do. Protest? What if I am killed or jailed for exercising my rights? Shut up? So I keep my opinions silent? Okay cool, just keep my opinions to myself?? F*ck that.

I will voice opinion LOUDLY and FREQUENTLY. The actions of this administration are absolute BULLSHIT.

Well said.

The power imbalance between ICE and protesters is already absurdly in favor of ICE. They can cover their faces, racially profile, descend on schools, disappear people, arrest citizens, and kill them. And according to Vance, they have absolute immunity when performing their duties. If people aren't angry and agitated with this latest round of officially sanctioned anti-American actions, then the country is already gone. To argue that people should be respectful and try to protest by rules mandated by those oppressing the people they ostensibly serve is ludicrous. ICE needs to be constantly monitored and filmed, and shamed into oblivion when necessary.

Imagine a situation where a democratic president sends a federal force to red cities. The force skirts the constitution and brazenly attacks people because of the effective immunity. Neighbors are affected. Would those from red states march and respectfully protest at a mandated distance?

[falafel]

What do you consider protesting? Organized groups following a federal agents, swaying, harassing, finding their location, positioning your car to block their movements, antagonizing agents. Do you consider all of these protesting? If so, we will not be in agreement on this. I have no issue with protesting, but these things are not (IMO).

No, according to the US Supreme Court, I don't think all of the actions you just listed are protected under the First Amendment. The things I DO NOT consider unconstitutional: groups following federal agents, (I don't know what "swaying" means), finding federal agents' location. I would agree that harassing, positioning your car to block their movements (obstruction), antagonizing agents (but I would add that there should be an intent element there - if you just make an agent mad, that shouldn't be the issue). So I would say I agree with 50/50 with you on those actions.

There is a footage from Anderson Cooper where he shows 4-minutes of this event and what took place well before the shooting. This couple is part of a large group that is committed to being more than just protesting ICE agents. The school their children attend defines their mission in this. Again, no issue with organizing and protesting, filming, chanting, yelling, but when you revert to physical actions. That is crossing a line imo. I have no issue with marches, lock-ins or other methods, but this is NOT that method. These are gotcha aggressive methods to provide an agent to lose his cool so they can film these and post. The liberal left has creates this and encouraged this. Chaos is their method of protest. Looking to all groups who are different views but a central hated for the govt. to create these situations

I am angry and hope the agent is held accountable. But, I also believe these methods to be anarchistic in nature to instill more unrest.

I think I have seen all of the footage available about the incident. I am sick of it, tbh. I do not sending your kid to a particular school should be considered here - it is not directly relevant to anything. Freedom to educate one's kids is a Constitutional right that you and I both enjoy.

Second, I agree that physical action CAN cross the line. Obviously, not ANY physical will cross that line (e.g. breathing, walking, talking, etc.). This is probably where we disagree most strongly, and that is fine. I suspect that you believe the woman's physical actions crossed the lines, and I have reservations about that. That probably describes 90% of Americans, which puts us on common ground.

Third, I agree that "gotcha" tactics are despicable and do not have righteous purposes. There was a video several years ago where a gotcha journalist verbally assaulted my state's governor when he was having lunch in public with others. He deserved to be questioned on his views, but not to be ambushed like that. It was ridiculous.

Re: aggressive methods. I have mixed opinions on this. The first and best option is an entirely peaceful protest. Lie down your weapons like the Army of Helaman. But I will admit to doubting my ability to follow that example. If someone engages me aggressively, I will likely respond aggressively. I don't think anyone would dispute that ICE has employed "aggressive" (I didn't say illegal) tactics. That doesn't mean that aggressive protests should follow, but it seems hard to object on that basis when the government has been using the same tactics.

Re: the ICE agent losing his cool. He may have indeed lost his cool - that is very subjective and I won't comment on that. But there has to be a standard regarding losing one's cool. That, really, is the question. Did the agent "lose his cool" or did he "act in self-defense"? If I am being honest, it is somewhere in the middle. We just need to be open to that narrow intersection between the two. This really isn't political at all. Its legal. Politics has completely overwhelmed the issue, but it is actually irrelevant.

You want me to place myself in the eyes of these individual. I will reverse that suggestion and ask that do the same. And like many on here, don’t make the assumption o think these federal agents are acting lawfully. But don’t think all of them are taking actions that are unlawfully.

Honestly, we can't really put ourselves in the shoes of either the woman or the agent. The law is the only thing we have to judge this situation. Everything else is just intentional distraction.

[Clark Addison]

Paging Clark:

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For the record, I run a credit card program where the highest interest rate is 17.99%. With that out of the way, capping credit card rates at 10% will mean some combination of the following will happen:

1. Almost all credit cards will have annual fees
2. Other fees will be drastically increased
3. The number of people who will qualify for a credit card will be drastically reduced
4. The rewards you get from your cards will be reduced

the last time we talked about this I think I said something like “so this is why it will never happen”. As talked about in another thread, you can’t really ever say that anymore so this is what you would expect.

[falafel]

For the record, I run a credit card program where the highest interest rate is 17.99%. With that out of the way, capping credit card rates at 10% will mean some combination of the following will happen:

1. Almost all credit cards will have annual fees
2. Other fees will be drastically increased
3. The number of people who will qualify for a credit card will be drastically reduced
4. The rewards you get from your cards will be reduced

the last time we talked about this I think I said something like “so this is why it will never happen”. As talked about in another thread, you can’t really ever say that anymore so this is what you would expect.

You mean the credit card companies will shift those expenses to other areas in order to maintain their profits?? The GREED!

[frank ryan]

So we have announced we are going to start bombing Mexican territory. That's pretty dumb.

We continue to sabre rattle invading a staunch NATO ally and insist on taking their territory. There are historically awful moves that will serve to damage our intelligence gathering and sharing ability and our diplomatic soft power.

Invading a NATO country is a massive gift to Putin.

Humiliating trading partners and allies alike is not a recipe for safety and stability. It's depressing no Republican of note has the backbone to pushback.

[Maximus]

Protesting?? This is not protesting. It’s obstructing.

Any and all.obstruction vs ice is moral and necessary for good citizens. They are the ss and no less

The dude gleefully talked about hiking that girl. He wanted tk shoot her for minutes and then did on purpose . Then talked about the dumb b he just killed.


He will Burn. Thats for sure

[BlueK]

Any and all.obstruction vs ice is moral and necessary for good citizens. They are the ss and no less

The dude gleefully talked about hiking that girl. He wanted tk shoot her for minutes and then did on purpose . Then talked about the dumb b he just killed.


He will Burn. Thats for sure

This is pretty disturbing. There are too many incidents now to just dismiss the thought that ICE is not intended by Trump to just enforce immigration. They are turning into Trump's police force to quash dissent and to operate outside the Constitution and law.

https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts...-guard/685279/

[BigPiney]

This whole National parks pass thing really pisses me off.

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/09/nx-s1...p-picture-pass

The picture on the pass is supposed to be the winner of a photo contest. But no trump has to make it about himself.

And now when people said they will cover trump up, they have changed the regulations to make that invalidate the pass which it never would have done in the past. If I get one he is getting a Hitler moustache, that is for sure.

[Shaka]

I'm excited to sit on Trump's face every time I go to Powell!

[LVAllen]

This whole National parks pass thing really pisses me off.

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/09/nx-s1...p-picture-pass

The picture on the pass is supposed to be the winner of a photo contest. But no trump has to make it about himself.

And now when people said they will cover trump up, they have changed the regulations to make that invalidate the pass which it never would have done in the past. If I get one he is getting a Hitler moustache, that is for sure.

If it makes you feel better, it sparked the creation of a industry creating specialized sleeves designed to cover up the presidents and display photos from the Parks themselves. No permanent alteration means the understaffed park rangers (the ones willing to enforce His Orangeness' edits, anyway) can stuff it.

[frank ryan]

This whole National parks pass thing really pisses me off.

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/09/nx-s1...p-picture-pass

The picture on the pass is supposed to be the winner of a photo contest. But no trump has to make it about himself.

And now when people said they will cover trump up, they have changed the regulations to make that invalidate the pass which it never would have done in the past. If I get one he is getting a Hitler moustache, that is for sure.

I've posted about this before. But he is breaking rules and regulations with coins. We don't put living people on our coins and banknotes. Even ex-presidents. But of course he is doing it.
He goes around breaking laws, rules and norms with abandon because no one really prevents him. Anytime sometimes tried to hold him accountable the dumbass TDS label gets used.

[myboynoah]

I'm excited to sit on Trump's face every time I go to Powell!

lol