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  • Moliere
    One man.....one pie
    • Oct 2009
    • 27766

    #17716
    Originally posted by Maximus View Post
    So trump is offering iran the same deal he pulled out of 8 years ago. Hmm
    Ha, I read about that. It's practically the same deal...the one he called the worst deal ever made. It sounds like him pulling the original deal resulted in Iran getting much further in their weapons capability.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • falafel
      loves to talk on things
      • Mar 2009
      • 37836

      #17717
      Originally posted by Joe Public View Post

      I agree.

      I don’t know anything about the Utah law, and I’m not a ConLaw nerd, but of course speech can be restricted without violating the Constitution. Time/place/manner, narrowly tailored, content neutral, etc.

      Specific to government employees, there’s a whole line of case law that seeks to balance free speech rights and government employment. Google “Pickering-Garcetti test” or similar. Again, I don’t know anything about the Utah law, but the analysis would involve much more than just “hey, it’s speech, so it must be protected.”

      Of course not all speech is protected. But that is a red herring fellas. A law can be constitutional in some applications and not in others and still be unconstitutional. My argument is that this statute is way too broad, restricts way too much speech, and is not narrowly tailored to accomplish its goals. I guess we shall see if anyone else agrees.
      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

      Dig your own grave, and save!

      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

      "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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      • Northwestcoug
        Cocked and Loaded
        • May 2011
        • 17890

        #17718
        Constitutional crises are fun!

        "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
        "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
        - SeattleUte

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        • Maximus
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 5999

          #17719

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69414

            #17720
            Originally posted by falafel View Post


            Of course not all speech is protected. But that is a red herring fellas. A law can be constitutional in some applications and not in others and still be unconstitutional. My argument is that this statute is way too broad, restricts way too much speech, and is not narrowly tailored to accomplish its goals. I guess we shall see if anyone else agrees.
            I did a little search to see if there is going to be a court challenge. I can't find much, but here are some quotes:



            Multiple individuals who gave public comment, including Equality Utah policy director Marina Lowe, several educators and a representative of the Utah League of Cities and Towns spoke against the bill on constitutional grounds, saying that it violated municipalities' First Amendment rights.

            Michael Curtis, from the state’s Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel, told the committee that Utah court precedent supports the ability for legislators to restrict the speech of political subdivisions and to choose which private speech it promotes.
            The Utah Legislature has passed a bill aimed at banning LGBTQ+ flags from Utah’s public schools and government buildings.


            Sen. Stephanie Pitcher, D-Salt Lake City, tried unsuccessfully to scale the bill back closer to applying only to school districts, warning that its current language could be unconstitutional, but a majority of Senate Republicans rejected her proposed amendment.

            “The Supreme Court has recognized that local government entities hold independent free speech rights known as the government speech doctrine,” Pitcher said, adding that case law has established that “government entities have the right to speak for itself.”

            “I think we can save ourselves a lot of money and litigation by passing this amendment and bringing this bill to a place where it’s constitutionally sound,” Pitcher said, before the Senate voted it down.

            McCay pushed back, arguing that while the Supreme Court “says there is room for local expression, it does not mean that the majority has the ability to change the historical focus or warp the building into its own political speech.”
            “Equality Utah is frustrated by this outcome, but our resolve remains unshaken,” Williams and Lowe said. “We will continue to fight for the rights and visibility of LGBTQ Utahns, supporting efforts to challenge this bill in court and hold the state accountable.”
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • frank ryan
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 12257

              #17721
              Originally posted by USUC View Post

              Trump, the skilled tactician who is completely unconcerned with and unbound from strategy. This is what happens when decision makers are purely concrete thinkers.
              It's dragging on because it favors Russia. Trump is in the bag for Russia and at this point the I think those disparaging "Russiagate" at an anti-Trump conspiracy theory, have the burden of proof in making up their claims.
              Occam's Razor points to Trump being Putin's bitch

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              • chrisrenrut
                Strikes and Gutters
                • Jul 2009
                • 2254

                #17722
                I wish someone could explain to Trump and his cronies, in simple terms that he could understand, the concepts of cause and effect and unintended consequences.

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                • chrisrenrut
                  Strikes and Gutters
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 2254

                  #17723
                  Can the Supreme Court hold Trump and his administration in contempt of court for clearly and willfully violating their order to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia?
                  The White House has stated he is “never coming back” to the US.

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                  • BigFatMeanie
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 7079

                    #17724
                    Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
                    I wish someone could explain to Trump and his cronies, in simple terms that he could understand, the concepts of cause and effect and unintended consequences.
                    But this one time he ate an orange at the beach and he got more tan so of course it's obvious that oranges make you get more tan! He's a master of cause and effect!

                    Unfortunately, it turned out he's allergic to oranges so he can't capitalize on their their natural tanning benefits thus has to resort to artificial means.

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                    • Maximus
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5999

                      #17725
                      great point peter.

                      lol this dude is running our economy

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                      • beefytee
                        Board eye candy
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 7542

                        #17726
                        Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
                        Can the Supreme Court hold Trump and his administration in contempt of court for clearly and willfully violating their order to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia?
                        The White House has stated he is “never coming back” to the US.
                        Sure, they can.

                        How do they enforce it is the question? But not really because without the executive branch or a least the support of Congress, they can’t.

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                        • Maximus
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 5999

                          #17727
                          they can hire their own LEO to investigate contempt of court


                          they are really sending more in next 24 hrs despite SC saying they can not without ample time.

                          https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...s-act-00299474

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                          • LVAllen
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 3214

                            #17728
                            Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                            they can hire their own LEO to investigate contempt of court


                            they are really sending more in next 24 hrs despite SC saying they can not without ample time.

                            https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...s-act-00299474
                            The problem with criminal contempt is that it is pardonable. See, for example, Trump's pardon of POS Joe Arpaio's criminal contempt.

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                            • myboynoah
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 21719

                              #17729
                              Nice. Totally unnecessary, but a nice development.

                              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #17730
                                lol. The Hillbilly is toast. Although, isn't Bessant supposed to be in charge of all the new negotiations?

                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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