Originally posted by Maximus
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President Trump: Making America Great Again...
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Ha, I read about that. It's practically the same deal...the one he called the worst deal ever made. It sounds like him pulling the original deal resulted in Iran getting much further in their weapons capability."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Joe Public View Post
I agree.
I don’t know anything about the Utah law, and I’m not a ConLaw nerd, but of course speech can be restricted without violating the Constitution. Time/place/manner, narrowly tailored, content neutral, etc.
Specific to government employees, there’s a whole line of case law that seeks to balance free speech rights and government employment. Google “Pickering-Garcetti test” or similar. Again, I don’t know anything about the Utah law, but the analysis would involve much more than just “hey, it’s speech, so it must be protected.”
Of course not all speech is protected. But that is a red herring fellas. A law can be constitutional in some applications and not in others and still be unconstitutional. My argument is that this statute is way too broad, restricts way too much speech, and is not narrowly tailored to accomplish its goals. I guess we shall see if anyone else agrees.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
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"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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I did a little search to see if there is going to be a court challenge. I can't find much, but here are some quotes:Originally posted by falafel View Post

Of course not all speech is protected. But that is a red herring fellas. A law can be constitutional in some applications and not in others and still be unconstitutional. My argument is that this statute is way too broad, restricts way too much speech, and is not narrowly tailored to accomplish its goals. I guess we shall see if anyone else agrees.
Multiple individuals who gave public comment, including Equality Utah policy director Marina Lowe, several educators and a representative of the Utah League of Cities and Towns spoke against the bill on constitutional grounds, saying that it violated municipalities' First Amendment rights.
Michael Curtis, from the state’s Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel, told the committee that Utah court precedent supports the ability for legislators to restrict the speech of political subdivisions and to choose which private speech it promotes.
The Utah Legislature has passed a bill aimed at banning LGBTQ+ flags from Utah’s public schools and government buildings.
Sen. Stephanie Pitcher, D-Salt Lake City, tried unsuccessfully to scale the bill back closer to applying only to school districts, warning that its current language could be unconstitutional, but a majority of Senate Republicans rejected her proposed amendment.
“The Supreme Court has recognized that local government entities hold independent free speech rights known as the government speech doctrine,” Pitcher said, adding that case law has established that “government entities have the right to speak for itself.”
“I think we can save ourselves a lot of money and litigation by passing this amendment and bringing this bill to a place where it’s constitutionally sound,” Pitcher said, before the Senate voted it down.
McCay pushed back, arguing that while the Supreme Court “says there is room for local expression, it does not mean that the majority has the ability to change the historical focus or warp the building into its own political speech.”“Equality Utah is frustrated by this outcome, but our resolve remains unshaken,” Williams and Lowe said. “We will continue to fight for the rights and visibility of LGBTQ Utahns, supporting efforts to challenge this bill in court and hold the state accountable.”"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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It's dragging on because it favors Russia. Trump is in the bag for Russia and at this point the I think those disparaging "Russiagate" at an anti-Trump conspiracy theory, have the burden of proof in making up their claims.Originally posted by USUC View Post
Trump, the skilled tactician who is completely unconcerned with and unbound from strategy. This is what happens when decision makers are purely concrete thinkers.
Occam's Razor points to Trump being Putin's bitch
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I wish someone could explain to Trump and his cronies, in simple terms that he could understand, the concepts of cause and effect and unintended consequences.
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Can the Supreme Court hold Trump and his administration in contempt of court for clearly and willfully violating their order to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia?
The White House has stated he is “never coming back” to the US.
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But this one time he ate an orange at the beach and he got more tan so of course it's obvious that oranges make you get more tan! He's a master of cause and effect!Originally posted by chrisrenrut View PostI wish someone could explain to Trump and his cronies, in simple terms that he could understand, the concepts of cause and effect and unintended consequences.
Unfortunately, it turned out he's allergic to oranges so he can't capitalize on their their natural tanning benefits thus has to resort to artificial means.
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Sure, they can.Originally posted by chrisrenrut View PostCan the Supreme Court hold Trump and his administration in contempt of court for clearly and willfully violating their order to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia?
The White House has stated he is “never coming back” to the US.
How do they enforce it is the question? But not really because without the executive branch or a least the support of Congress, they can’t.
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they can hire their own LEO to investigate contempt of court
they are really sending more in next 24 hrs despite SC saying they can not without ample time.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...s-act-00299474
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The problem with criminal contempt is that it is pardonable. See, for example, Trump's pardon of POS Joe Arpaio's criminal contempt.Originally posted by Maximus View Postthey can hire their own LEO to investigate contempt of court
they are really sending more in next 24 hrs despite SC saying they can not without ample time.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...s-act-00299474
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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lol. The Hillbilly is toast. Although, isn't Bessant supposed to be in charge of all the new negotiations?
Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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