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  • YOhio
    Hipster Mode
    • Nov 2008
    • 26165

    #15001
    I don’t know about you guys, but there’s a few things about this new administration that has me pretty optimistic. Most of all is DOGE. I’ve worked with the feds for a good part of my career and can’t wait to see some bureaucrats rattled. I know the knee-jerk reaction for many will be to oppose anything and everything coming from Trump, but that’s a feeble-minded response. Embrace good ideas regardless of the source and this is a great idea. One that is long overdue. It likely won’t be perfect in execution, but it will be a net positive. Don’t be an apologist for the bureaucracy.

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    • Jeff Lebowski
      Corporate lackey for Jesus
      • Nov 2008
      • 69521

      #15002
      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
      I don’t know about you guys, but there’s a few things about this new administration that has me pretty optimistic. Most of all is DOGE. I’ve worked with the feds for a good part of my career and can’t wait to see some bureaucrats rattled. I know the knee-jerk reaction for many will be to oppose anything and everything coming from Trump, but that’s a feeble-minded response. Embrace good ideas regardless of the source and this is a great idea. One that is long overdue. It likely won’t be perfect in execution, but it will be a net positive. Don’t be an apologist for the bureaucracy.
      I wonder how long it will take for all of them to realize that entitlements (social security, medicare, etc), defense spending, and interest on the debt consume 80% of the federal budget. Fiddling with the slop on the other 20% is a drop in the bucket. Performative nonsense.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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      • YOhio
        Hipster Mode
        • Nov 2008
        • 26165

        #15003
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

        I wonder how long it will take for all of them to realize that entitlements (social security, medicare, etc), defense spending, and interest on the debt consume 80% of the federal budget. Fiddling with the slop on the other 20% is a drop in the bucket. Performative nonsense.
        You say performative nonsense, I say it’s a great start. Like telling someone deep in debt to stop eating out and start cooking at home. Sure it’s not going to immediately pay off their student loan, but setting an expectation of financial discipline is always a good thing. It’s literally the first time since Gingrich, maybe the Tea Party, that anyone has attempted to address paring down the federal bureaucracy.

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        • Jeff Lebowski
          Corporate lackey for Jesus
          • Nov 2008
          • 69521

          #15004
          Originally posted by YOhio View Post

          You say performative nonsense, I say it’s a great start. Like telling someone deep in debt to stop eating out and start cooking at home. Sure it’s not going to immediately pay off their student loan, but setting an expectation of financial discipline is always a good thing. It’s literally the first time since Gingrich, maybe the Tea Party, that anyone has attempted to address paring down the federal bureaucracy.
          I would feel a bit more enthusiastic about it if we had someone other than Musk and Vivek leading the charge. I just read that they put MTG in charge of one of the DOGE committees. Oh boy.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • frank ryan
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 12284

            #15005
            Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

            Exactly. It would be hard for the D's to claim a moral high ground on this. Bill Clinton.
            Nah, it wouldn't. Al Franken is a recent example. He got axed because he grabbed a women's ass. Not appropriate. I don't feel bad for him. That was more recent. Trump is pretty near unparalleled. A court found him responsible for rape. He paid off a porn star. His wife was an escort. He says gross untoward things about his daughter. Trump and Clinton were both gross friends with Epstein. Epstein called Trump his closest friend.

            Then you have Matt Gaetz. Jim Jordan and Ohio State wrestling team stuff. Then you have Denny Hastert. Lauren Boebert giving handys in a public theater. Jerry Falwell Jr. and his hypocritical open marriage cuck stuff. Roy Moore barely lost the general election in Alabama. Tim Ballard - he hasn't been shunned by the right-wing even when his antics are obvious.

            One side is worse, or I should say seems to have a greater tolerance for these things for political advantage.

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            • frank ryan
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 12284

              #15006
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

              I would feel a bit more enthusiastic about it if we had someone other than Musk and Vivek leading the charge. I just read that they put MTG in charge of one of the DOGE committees. Oh boy.
              This a social-media celebrity cabinet. They aren't scrutinizing agencies for efficiencies. They are talking about axing most of the federal workforce and randomly eliminating entire government agencies. No one should trust Musk's objectivity and intention at this point. Twitter is practically Trump-media at this point.

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              • Moliere
                One man.....one pie
                • Oct 2009
                • 27819

                #15007
                Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                You say performative nonsense, I say it’s a great start. Like telling someone deep in debt to stop eating out and start cooking at home. Sure it’s not going to immediately pay off their student loan, but setting an expectation of financial discipline is always a good thing. It’s literally the first time since Gingrich, maybe the Tea Party, that anyone has attempted to address paring down the federal bureaucracy.
                I’m currently seeing the government bureaucracy up close as we try to get some grants from the DOE. We have pretty decided that the cost to comply with the grant regulations will cost more than the grant itself.
                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                • Shaka
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 10438

                  #15008
                  Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                  Nah, it wouldn't. Al Franken is a recent example. He got axed because he grabbed a women's ass. Not appropriate. I don't feel bad for him. That was more recent. Trump is pretty near unparalleled. A court found him responsible for rape. He paid off a porn star. His wife was an escort. He says gross untoward things about his daughter. Trump and Clinton were both gross friends with Epstein. Epstein called Trump his closest friend.

                  Then you have Matt Gaetz. Jim Jordan and Ohio State wrestling team stuff. Then you have Denny Hastert. Lauren Boebert giving handys in a public theater. Jerry Falwell Jr. and his hypocritical open marriage cuck stuff. Roy Moore barely lost the general election in Alabama. Tim Ballard - he hasn't been shunned by the right-wing even when his antics are obvious.

                  One side is worse, or I should say seems to have a greater tolerance for these things for political advantage.
                  Is there a Democrat version of QAnon that you subscribe to? No one on this site posts more speculation as fact.

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                  • PaloAltoCougar
                    Semper infra dignitatem
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 16921

                    #15009
                    Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                    You say performative nonsense, I say it’s a great start. Like telling someone deep in debt to stop eating out and start cooking at home. Sure it’s not going to immediately pay off their student loan, but setting an expectation of financial discipline is always a good thing. It’s literally the first time since Gingrich, maybe the Tea Party, that anyone has attempted to address paring down the federal bureaucracy.
                    The Bowles Simpson Fiscal Commission (2010?) was a great bipartisan attempt to substantially reduce the deficit and perhaps even the debt. But it died. I have les optimism for the success of any plan led by Vivek and Elon. But I'd love to be surprised.

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                    • Jeff Lebowski
                      Corporate lackey for Jesus
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 69521

                      #15010
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                      • Maximus
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 6011

                        #15011
                        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                        I don’t know about you guys, but there’s a few things about this new administration that has me pretty optimistic. Most of all is DOGE. I’ve worked with the feds for a good part of my career and can’t wait to see some bureaucrats rattled. I know the knee-jerk reaction for many will be to oppose anything and everything coming from Trump, but that’s a feeble-minded response. Embrace good ideas regardless of the source and this is a great idea. One that is long overdue. It likely won’t be perfect in execution, but it will be a net positive. Don’t be an apologist for the bureaucracy.
                        I mean we know the people leading jt have no ideas. He said he'll randomly cut 75% . Sounds intelligent.

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                        • Maximus
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 6011

                          #15012
                          Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                          Is there a Democrat version of QAnon that you subscribe to? No one on this site posts more speculation as fact.
                          Nah it's all true. Jim Jordan knew of a coaching abusing college students and tried to cover it up. Rfk cheated on his wife 40 times in a year causing her suicide. Donald raped kids with Epstein.

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                          • frank ryan
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 12284

                            #15013
                            Shaka you condescend about the points I make but you are wildly uninformed. These aren't fringe charges or speculation.

                            What is speculative Matt Gaetz? Boebert? Jim Jordan? Jerry Falwell Jr? Trump-Epstein friendship? Denny Hastert? I'll be happy to point out some sources of information for you. It won't be Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro though.

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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #15014
                              Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                              Is there a Democrat version of QAnon that you subscribe to? No one on this site posts more speculation as fact.

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                              • frank ryan
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 12284

                                #15015
                                That genuinely implied and typically unfounded conspiracies like the assassination attempt being a false flag. There isn't a lot support for that.

                                QAnon has been courted by Trump. That isn't speculation. BlueAnon doesn't have conventions.

                                That's not relevant to the things Shaka says are speculative.

                                It's just dismissing my perspective without addressing any points of contention. Hell more news about Gaetz has come confirming he was under investigation for getting with an underage person.



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