The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[Pelado]

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[Bo Diddley]

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He just can't help himself.

[Bo Diddley]

Do you ever play the "what if" game? I started playing that when Trump became the frontrunner in the GOP primary. I'd said all along that Hillary was unelectable until Trump. Maybe Trump was bad enough she could be elected. Nope. That speaks volumes about how bad a candidate she was.

But back to Trump. I mean what if we get saddled with him again for another four years? What would that say about America?

[Pelado]

Do you ever play the "what if" game? I started playing that when Trump became the frontrunner in the GOP primary. I'd said all along that Hillary was unelectable until Trump. Maybe Trump was bad enough she could be elected. Nope. That speaks volumes about how bad a candidate she was.

But back to Trump. I mean what if we get saddled with him again for another four years? What would that say about America?

I probably would play that game more often, but I rarely remember the rules.

[Bo Diddley]

I probably would play that game more often, but I rarely remember the rules.

Yes, you really need to be careful or someone might call you out as a cheater.

[Uncle Ted]

Do you ever play the "what if" game? I started playing that when Trump became the frontrunner in the GOP primary. I'd said all along that Hillary was unelectable until Trump. Maybe Trump was bad enough she could be elected. Nope. That speaks volumes about how bad a candidate she was.

But back to Trump. I mean what if we get saddled with him again for another four years? What would that say about America?

OK, I’ll play...

What if Biden and the 100 other Dem candidates ran in 2016 against Hillary in the primary and DNC didn’t feed her the debate questions in advance? Bernie, the (“do as I say, not as I do”) socialist, actually gave her a pretty good run for her money. Maybe they thought she could easily beat Bernie so the DNC let him (and only him) run against her. That speaks volumes about how bad the Democratic Party and the DNC are.


Sent from my iPhone and not some cheap Chinese crap running Android spyware

[swampfrog]

This article is more interesting than expected.

The goal is not to rebrand the Democratic Party—to camouflage a progressive agenda in nonprogressive garb, to dupe a congressional district full of Sean Hannity fanatics into embracing Medicare for All. The goal is to refocus Democrats on core, American values that resonate everywhere, that transcend the stultifying, partisan compartments that dominate the discourse. “The message,” he says, “can bleed down into content, policy, or platform. The message isn’t something distinct from the product itself.”

The goal is to change everything. Not just how the candidates talk to voters, or anything tactical, but something deeper. The horse race is almost beside the point. The point is a new kind of politics, which doesn’t just mean that Trump has to lose, but that Democrats have to win the right way. That means no scorched-earth shit. No condescending. No fucking Twitter mobs. That, Hurwitz said, is not how you rescue the republic. You have to think about America. All of it. And tone matters. So does the way you frame an argument, the assumptions you make about yourself, about the chump you’re body-slamming on Facebook, about everything you think you know and everything you assume he doesn’t. “I don’t actually care if someone has deep blue positions,” Hurwitz tells me. “I care about whether they vilify the other side.”

The dynamics are not good. The leader of the pack, the former veep, seems not to grasp that something metabolic has happened to the country, that Trump is not an “aberration” but a symptom of a darkness that’s been building for decades. Most of the serious or once serious candidates have one (or more) Achilles’ heels. The two most powerful forces coursing through the Democratic base are an angry populism and an angrier identity politics, both of which pit Americans against Americans, both of which amount to a series of grievances, hatreds, demands that historical and systemic wrongs be righted.

“We are living in the opposite of an enlightened society, where we bumble and misstep and grow and learn and apologize and argue, and where maturity isn’t faking moral perfection but admitting just how small and petty and awful and hateful we can be and, by so doing, making that admission to ourselves and transcending it,” Hurwitz says. “Imagine, for a moment, being defined by the worst 10% of yourself and cast out of acceptable society, with massive reputational and financial damage. That’s easier to do now, because we’ve handed all our privacy to social media. Anyone who disagrees with you on anything can paint this picture of you. There’s no room for missteps, growth, apologies. We no longer need secret police because the mob—because we—have become the secret police. What happens to those people? Where do they go? Into despair and toxicity and polarization. And who fills the void? Any fascist or totalitarian who can provide something resembling a set of rules that will teach us how to navigate this scary landscape.”

[Uncle Ted]

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[myboynoah]

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Dude is pretty funny for a vampire.

[SeattleUte]

This is for those here who want to racialize any responsible response to the left. Possibly the most interesting political article I’ve read this year. What is wrong with white people in this country? Really, at the very least, just read the first paragraph.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/24/o...core-ios-share

[swampfrog]

This is for those here who want to racialize any responsible response to the left. Possibly the most interesting political article I’ve read this year. What is wrong with white people in this country? Really, at the very least, just read the first paragraph.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/24/o...core-ios-share

Enjoyed that--though the linked nature of new media makes one article much longer than expected. Echoes some of the hidden tribes findings.

[Uncle Ted]

Marianne Williamson is awesome... very entertaining. Maybe if she wins the Dem nomination she can get Oprah as her running mate.

[Uncle Ted]

LOL. Delaney says Bernie's math is bad when it comes to healthcare. Delaney actually seems to know something about this. Maybe that is why they keep cutting him off.

"I'm starting think this isn't about healthcare, this is an anti-private sector thing."
-Delaney

And Bernie yells too much...

Edit: I just leave this here so I can read it later: John Delaney Won't Be President, But His Health Care Proposal Is Worth a Look

[Uncle Ted]

Buttigieg was in high school when Columbine happened? The dude is too young. And is that a fly on his forehead?

[Donuthole]

The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

This debate is a shit show. The Dems are determined to outdo each other in ramping up the crazy until they all but guarantee Trump’s re-election.