The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[myboynoah]

So if Biden "digitally raped" a woman as she claims, that is not as egregious in your mind as multiple consensual affairs and hush payments to at least one mistress? I did not and will not vote for trump. But in the age of metoo and post kavenaugh, it's out there to think Biden should skate on such a serious allegation without anyone checking if there is corroboration just because Trump is disgusting.

It would be a serious issue, and should cause us to pause. My point is that Trump has so dirtied the waters with his payments to porn stars and Playboy models and talk of grabbing pussies and ogling naked beauty pageant contestants that it gets lost in all the smoke and crap. And we're not even talking yet about his just generally being one of the worst people in the history of mankind; a true sociopath. That cesspool makes it difficult to focus on a one-off accusation about Biden.

I'd rather not vote for Biden, but given the choice between a known super piece of shit and an accused mere piece of shit, I'll opt for the accused.

[Omaha 680]

It would be a serious issue, and should cause us to pause. My point is that Trump has so dirtied the waters with his payments to porn stars and Playboy models and talk of grabbing pussies and ogling naked beauty pageant contestants that it gets lost in all the smoke and crap. And we're not even talking yet about his just generally being one of the worst people in the history of mankind; a true sociopath. That cesspool makes it difficult to focus on a one-off accusation about Biden.

I'd rather not vote for Biden, but given the choice between a known super piece of shit and an accused mere piece of shit, I'll opt for the accused.

I cant disagree with any of that. You last paragraph should be a biden campaign ad!

[myboynoah]

I cant disagree with any of that. You last paragraph should be a biden campaign ad!

BIDEN 2020! I'm just an accused mere piece of shit!

[Donuthole]

My approach is more along the lines of "when given the choice between a senile idiot and an arrogant idiot, I'll choose the senile idiot every time."

[Uncle Ted]

So if Biden "digitally raped" a woman as she claims, that is not as egregious in your mind as multiple consensual affairs and hush payments to at least one mistress? I did not and will not vote for trump. But in the age of metoo and post kavenaugh, it's out there to think Biden should skate on such a serious allegation without anyone checking if there is corroboration just because Trump is disgusting.

Unless they are paid not to check...

[...]
A year ago, Reade—who supported the campaigns of Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.)—attempted to come forward with stories of sexual harassment in Biden's offices. As detailed in an Intercept piece, she reached out to Time's Up, a project of the National Women's Law Center that provides support to alleged #MeToo victims. Time's Up declined to assist Reade; the organization's official excuse was that a feud with a national political candidate could jeopardize their status as a 501(c)(3) non-partisan group. But as The Intercept also notes:

The public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time's Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden's presidential campaign. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment. The SKDK spokesperson assigned to Time's Up referred questions back to the NWLC.

[...]

https://reason.com/2020/03/26/joe-bi...believe-women/

Why won't Time's Up (aka #MeToo) take up Tara Reade's case? That is the $806,000 question:

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[frank ryan]

It would be a serious issue, and should cause us to pause. My point is that Trump has so dirtied the waters with his payments to porn stars and Playboy models and talk of grabbing pussies and ogling naked beauty pageant contestants that it gets lost in all the smoke and crap. And we're not even talking yet about his just generally being one of the worst people in the history of mankind; a true sociopath. That cesspool makes it difficult to focus on a one-off accusation about Biden.

I'd rather not vote for Biden, but given the choice between a known super piece of shit and an accused mere piece of shit, I'll opt for the accused.

Often times, they were under 18.

[Commando]

Yeah I find something super fucking eye rolling about Trump jerkers' posting things about how Joe Biden is creepy.

[Walter Sobchak]

Yeah I find something super fucking eye rolling about Trump jerkers' posting things about how Joe Biden is creepy.

Or, and I'm just spitballing here, many would rather not be forced to make a choice between two creepy old men.

Write in Tulsi!

[UVACoug]

A certain weird segment of them who enjoy there persecution complex. I like Bernie, I think he is a rare example of a non flip-flopping politician but he isn’t a pragmatic choice, and never was. People bitch about him not being backed by the democratic establishment, but he joined the party when it was needed as a potential path to the presidency. I think some of Bernie’s fanboys are far whinier than him.

What’s curious to me if weirdo Gabbard backing Biden. There was nothing normal about her campaign. For all the protesting about being labeled a Russian asset and being accused of courting right-wingers she has become a fixture on RT and made loads of appearances on Fox. I wonder if she choose Biden because Bernie would not commit to her being his running mate.

It's weird to object to be labeled a Russian asset?

[Uncle Ted]

Or, and I'm just spitballing here, many would rather not be forced to make a choice between two creepy old men.

Write in Tulsi!

Yes, the right choice here is not to hold your nose and vote for one creep over the other but to vote for the libertarian... Tulsi should run as a libertarian.

It is pure hypocrisy of the dems that they won't even give Tara Reade even the time of day and the overlook the fact that Joe is a creep that most likely did the things she said he did. They should just go with the socialist Bernie as their candidate. At least his memory is still works and he is far less creepy.

[Walter Sobchak]

Tulsi should run as a libertarian.

No, she shouldn't.

[Uncle Ted]

No, she shouldn't.

Shut up, Walter. She would make a great libertarian.

[Eddie]

So - maybe I don't understand how this all works. But when someone says "Biden's a creepy old man and these rape allegations against him should be looked into" and then someone else says "yeah - but Trump has done worse, I'll take Biden over him any day." - isn't that basically the definition of whataboutism?

I don't say this to excuse Trump. I'd rather vote for Biden myself - I think he's more moderate than he's playing for the primaries, and he's the most moderate of the frontrunners easily.

But why excuse Biden just because Trump is worse? If he truly raped this gal, he should answer for it. Just as Trump should answer for any of the alleged sexual assault/harassment he's apparently facing lawsuits for.

[old_gregg]

So - maybe I don't understand how this all works. But when someone says "Biden's a creepy old man and these rape allegations against him should be looked into" and then someone else says "yeah - but Trump has done worse, I'll take Biden over him any day." - isn't that basically the definition of whataboutism?

I don't say this to excuse Trump. I'd rather vote for Biden myself - I think he's more moderate than he's playing for the primaries, and he's the most moderate of the frontrunners easily.

But why excuse Biden just because Trump is worse? If he truly raped this gal, he should answer for it. Just as Trump should answer for any of the alleged sexual assault/harassment he's apparently facing lawsuits for.

it’s not whataboutism when the two are competing in a zero sum game

[beefytee]

Being creepy is tolerable. Trump has been more than creepy. I know there are allegation out there that Biden has been more than creepy. We'll have to see how those play out. If Biden is a rapist, there is likely more than one victim. Some of those victims are likely to come forward. If he does have a history like this, he is pretty dumb running for President knowing there is no keeping that stuff quiet anymore. And yes that is a possibility too.